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ruger blackhawk or redhawk in 45 colt?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by 1858rem, Mar 11, 2009.

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  1. 1858rem

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    i am looking for a new 45 colt, i already have a ton to reload it with and i like the cartridge anyhow. is there any difference as far as strength between the blackhawk and redhawk? im really leaning towards the redhawk because i like DA a lot more. 500 bucks is about what i have to work with but can go more. what price do these normally go for? i checked gun broker but didnt see any 5.5 or 7.5 redhawks in 45 colt.

    so what are the advantages or disadvantages to each?

    ill be target shooting and a TON of plinking and maybe eventually hunting. 255g@1000fps is plenty for now but i will venture on if i want to make up a hunting load....maybe as high as 1250 and a 255g? safe in these guns? what is the accuracy like, is 2" off a rest doable at 25 yards.
    please and thanks for any and all help:)
     
  2. Redhawk1

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    Either will work fine, the Redhawk in 45 Colt is going to be harder to find that the Blackhawk. Ruger quit making the 45 Colt in the Redhawk.

    Another stupid mistake Ruger made.

    At 25 yards, 2 inch groups are very doable, the guns are probably capable of better at 25 yards, and I have shot better than 2 inch groups with my Blackhawk 45 Colt.
     
  3. MCgunner

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    My blackhawk will routinely put my light OR my heavy load into an inch, which is about as good as my eyes work with iron sights, at 25 yards. My light load is a Lee mold, cast 255 flat nose over 8.3 grains of Unique. My heavy load is 18 grains of 2400 and a 300 grain Hornady XTP JHP. It's a hot load, but the Ruger handles it. I mostly shoot the light cast bullet load, of course, and the heavy load is for hunting and walking in bear woods. Since I haven't hunted with the gun much (usually grab my .30-30 Contender), it's rarely fired with the 300 grain load. Both Redhawk and Blackhawk are strong enough for this level of load. I just prefer the single actions for field use. The 255 grain load clocks a little over 900 fps and the 300 grainer clocks 1120, this from a 4 5/8" barrel. I really like the Blackhawk better for carry, lighter. I originally got the thing when I was chasing hogs at night with a guy who had dogs. It wasn't for taking the hog out, we cut their throats with a knife when the dogs had 'em pinned, but for just in case a big boar got loose of the dogs, which didn't happen. At the time, all I had were a .357 4" Ruger Security Six and a 1911 to carry. I wanted more and I love Blackhawks and I've always liked the idea of the .45 Colt in a Blackhawk. Well, now I'm a real lover of the combination having owned this gun for about 20 years. I no longer chase hogs, but I have hogs on my place and often carry this gun down there when I'm working on something or just bumming around.

    For your uses, you'll probably want a a 5.5" or longer barrel. I LOVE the 4 5/8" Blackhawks for balance and carry, but a longer barrel will zip the heavy loads a lot better and give you a little more sight radius. I get 1200 fps out of my 7" .45 Colt/.410 Contender barrel with the same hot load. That's about 1000 ft lbs and bear in mine, that barrel loses quite a bit in the long jump of the bullet to the rifling where there's quite a bit of blow by. In a 7.5" Redhawk or Blackhawk barrel, that load would probably kick up 1250 or better.

    Hope that experience helps you make up your mind. I have a single action bias, so don't let that bother your decision. LOL The Redhawk is a great gun, just a might heavy for my uses and doesn't have the lovely look of the single action. It does have the advantafe of a little faster lock time in single action mode. I see no real use for DA in a field gun, though, none at all. I probably have watched too many Clint Eastwood westerns, though. Joe Kidd was on last night. :D
     
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    I picked up a Blackhawk in 45 Colt recently, I'm sure impressed with it. Only got about 70 rounds through it, but the accuracy is what I hoped it would be. I won't be getting rid of it.
     
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    They did that because they were tired of getting revolvers returned with expanded chambers or worse. The cause of course were owners who were determined to use "Ruger or Thompson Contender Only" reloads. Bill Ruger referred to these loads as "revolver abuse," and from the company's point of view ended any liability they might have - which was next to none, but you still have to spend a lot of money on legal costs when you get sued.
     
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    I'm sure I've only got less than 300 rounds of hot stuff through my Blackhawk in the 20 years I've owned it, but it still shoots fine and locks up tight. I wouldn't worry about what Bill Ruger thought of the hot loads, not in the Blackhawk. I've always heard the Redhawk would handle such loads, but maybe not. I don't own one.
     
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    I have the Blackhawk and it is by far one of my favorite guns. Never fired the redhawk so no opinion there
     
  9. Master Blaster

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    Have a redhawk in .44 magnum, and blackhwk in .45colt, and a super blackhawk in .44 magnum. I prefer the blackhawk to the redhawk. More accurate, lighter, and able to take those Ruger only loads.
     
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    That 4" Redhawk is only 46 ounces and looks pretty good. :D

    The 4 5/8" stainless Blackhawk like mine is only 4 ounces lighter than that, but the blued one with the alloy grip is only 36 ounces, which is significant for the trail if you're carrying all day. I like the stainless, though, stainless grip frame and all. My 6.5" .357 is blued and the grip frame is fading a bit where the hand touches it. I do like Stainless for a field gun, but 36 ounces on the hip for the blued one would be lovely if I still did much back packing. That's not much heavier than a K frame .357. Hell, who needs a Tracker? :D
     
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    Was I mistaken in my thinking that the Redhawk was stronger than the Blackhawk and Super Blackhawk? I think I got this impression from companies like Garrett saying which guns their loads could be fired in, but those only covered .44 magnum, not .45 Colt.
     
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    Ruger web page says:
    "** A choice of 4", 5 1/2" or 7 1/2" barrel length."

    Not so ugly after all ;)
     
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    get the redhawk in 454 casull and you'll be able to run 45colts through it as well. That's what I did and I've never regretted it. And the good thing about ruger, they way overengineer their pistols, so you REALLY have to try hard to blow one up.
     
  16. MCgunner

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    Well, yeah, but the longer barreled ones are over 50 ounces. That kinda hurts, LOL. I think my scoped contender is lighter than my son-in-law's 7.5" .44 mag redhawk. That thing is a mammoth.



    If I had a Mountain Gun, good trail gun, I'd get it in .44 mag. The gun in .45 Colt isn't strong enough for the hotter loads. .44 gives the cylinder more beef and there's less case head thrust or set back or whatever it's called. IOW, the case head is smaller, thus allowing higher pressures. In .45 Colt, I do prefer the Blackhawk. Actually, I prefer the Blackhawk anyway, much stronger gun and no harder to carry.

    I've kinda wanted a blued 4 5/8" one or perhaps a 5.5" one, since I don't have a Blackhawk in that barrel length, in .41 Magnum. I've been enthralled by the thought of the .41 for quite a while. It'll do anything the .45 Colt or .44 mag will do, really, at least when handloaded. Not a lot of factory stuff out there, but I kinda like the oddball stuff being a handloader.
     
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    well i got 250 loaded rounds and the makins for another 1000+ so id like stickin with 45 colt, plus they make sweet big round holes in a target. my previous 45 weighed 44oz, i dont remember but i think it was unloaded weight. 5.5" would be nice, the 8"bbl i had and 14.5" overall was a bit slow on the draw lol. i like the blackhawk but as much as i shoot id like the swing out cylinder.......but then again i had no ejector before and used a pencil to pop out spent shells....so maybe a built in ejector will be quicker than expected
     
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    I don't think that 4 inch Redhawk is ugly. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I guess.

    That being said, I think the 5.5 inch barrel would be my choice. Maybe one day. I have always sort of wanted a Redhawk, but there are just other guns I would rather have at the moment...
     
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    I'm a bit biased as I own a couple super blackhawks, but go with the blackhawk. Not sure about the resiliency of the blackhawk compared to the super blackhawk (made in .44Mag only), but these are some reliable, accurate, and tough guns.

    Just don't push the limits of the .45LC expecting .44Mag performance because of safety concerns. IMO if you want .44Mag performance, get a .44Mag.

    -MW
     
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    I like DA too, and I got the 4" Redhawk... I would have preferred a 5.5 barrel though, but even thought website says they make it, I can't find a model number... I would love to be proven wrong... especially if I could put a scope on a 5.5" Redhawk... the perfect medicine for whitetail.

    The 4" is nicely packable.

    Redhawk is stronger, but still would not do some of the crazy stuff Linebaugh does...unless you're going to buy a gun that is made to take it with proper manufacturing tolerances, and no factory Ruger is IMO.

    I personally will stick to the 25k data, if I need more than that I have a .454 Casull
     
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    What ARE you guys smoking ... I bought "that UGLY 4 inch" last year and it's now one of my favorites. It's accurate AND fun to shoot and it looks AWESOME to me! :neener:

    The Redhawk can EASILY handle "those Ruger only loads". In fact, your hands will give out long before the Redhawk does ... trust me ... I KNOW!!

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    :)
     
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    and about how long is that? i only do about 100 rds at a time, sometimes 25-50 though. like i said... poppin em out with a pencil was not too fast lol
     
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    250gr bullets with 22.0gr to 24.0gr of H110 (not a maximum Redhawk/Blackhawk load by any means) are fun for 50 to 100 rounds. The tip of my trigger finger takes the most beating under recoil but it's bearable. When I get home, I know I did something that day. The Hogue grips really do an amazing job of absorbing recoil, but once the loads creep up to maximum values, then it gets a bit brutal ... but still less brutal than maximum loads in a .44 Mag with a 4" barrel.

    :)
     
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    much more than recoil from a 2 2/3 lb gun and 255g@ 930fps avg?
     
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    just as a side note, if you check out my other post on the blown up pistol in legal section, its amazing how thin the cylinder walls were at the cut out for the locking lug
     
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