Ruger LCP Purchase

Status
Not open for further replies.
Picked up a LCP yesterday, $299. Only 380 I could find was corbon JHP $30 for 20...shot twenty rounds today at the range. Had a couple FTF, but, overall thought the little gun did well. The trigger will take some getting used to, figure that out when I pick up some reasonably priced ammo. Ha...like that will ever come back.
Being what it is I like the little gun.
 
I've seen quite a few LCP's on shelves of gun stores locally.

Congrats on a very good deep concealment gun.
 
I love mine. I've fired about 450 rounds through mine with NO troubles at all. It has been reliable, more accurate than you would think, and SUPER concealable. The recoil isn't that bad at all. I've fire 200+ rounds in one session. My hand did get a little tired after about 150 rounds but its very manageable, MUCH more so than a light weight snubby.
 
Only 380 I could find was corbon JHP $30 for 20...shot twenty rounds today at the range. Had a couple FTF, but, overall thought the little gun did well.
were they the 90 gr HP or the 80 grain DPX? I just bought a bit of both to replace my Buffalo Bore +P and was just curious. I have so far had no malfunctions with any ammo (well the mag popped out a couple of times but only with the extended finger-rest baseplate; no malfs of any kind with the flat baseplates) including Fiocchi, magtech, winchester, and American Eagle FMJs, and Remington, Hornady, buffalo bore, and speer HPs.
 
Last edited:
80 grain DPX, hopefully just a breakin thing but, when I get some different ammo I will give them a shot. I thought it might have had to do with the extended finger rest, when I grip the gun it seemed to adjust the mag possibly changing the angle of the next round to be loaded. I have since changed back to the flat. But by your post probably dosent make a difference.
 
The Ruger finger extensions work great. The Pearce are the ones if you really large hands. They haven't effected reliability at all on my LCP. I don't think they are capable of changing the feed angle to the degree you are concerned about.
 
They are, however, capable of putting so much downward pressure on the mag during recoil that it slips past the mag catch. At least for me and a bunch of other guys I've read about.
 
Just grabbed me the LCP and put a mag through it with 6 rounds i had left over from something along time ago. shooting at a 4" spinning target at 7 yards hit it 6 times. Didn't find the recoil that bad. Trigger pull was long as expected but smooth.


Wake Up America, Resist the Change.---ME
 
I haven't had a mag come loose yet. maybe that is a function of the grip of some people. Mine has been 100% with all 4 of the magazines and even the P3AT mag I have.
 
I just bought an LCP yesterday. I paid $400 for it,

WOW, I paid $265 after shipping and transfer. It was $10 more than the Kel Tec. The rugger is worth ten bucks more than the kel tec IMO but not hundreds more. I really cannot understand people paying those types of prices.
 
I paid $375 for mine, I had to pay extra because they are in short demand and I had to buy my way up the line, I would have given more if I had to but I wasnt telling my gun dealer that. It was worth it. I love the gun, I cant stop bragging about it and showing it off. I just wish that they would come out with a pistol of the same size in 40 cal. Either way I still cant find rounds. I had to go to a flea market to find some.
 
Price paid for a gun seems to be something people are mighty proud of around here. Yes, i paid A LOT for the gun. I wanted it, I had the cash, and in my parts, to find a shop that had one in stock was close to a miracle. I knew one shop that typically charges more than usual and avoided them for that reason, but after facing close to a year of waiting for one on order at other shops, I gave in and got the gun when I found it. I have no regrets. With other guns that I just want for my collection, I will hold out for the best price. But when it's 95 degrees outside and all I can manage to wear is shorts and a t-shirt, paying a premium for a concealable, reliable gun is worth it to me. Thanks to everyone for their input... Great info.
 
I was out shooting my LCP today along with my Ruger P89, Ruger P95, and S&W .380 Sigma, The LCP jumps around more in my hand and is harder to control than all the others. So, I bought a Bersa Thunder today and am going to go shoot it and my LCP again to compair them. I'll bet the Bersa is easier to shoot. Anyone that tells you the LCP doesn't have stiff recoil for a .380 is a not telling the truth.

My wife won't shoot my LCP because of the recoil!
 
I just bought my LCP on Monday for $325 out the door. In addition I bought two back up magazines.

I got it because my Colt Pony Pocketlite is becoming very difficult to get replacement parts for. I have a cracked grip, I can't find a replacement for. I actually Like shooting the Colt better than the Ruger. The Colt is thicker in the grip. But I can get parts for the Ruger.

Frankly I only use or would use the 380 in extreme situations or for a tertiary back up. Initial backup will always be a S&W 'J' frame carrying 38spl.

AS to the Ruger, I may get one of the CTC lasers for it. I use the CTC laser with my primary BUG 'J' Frame and really like it. The last "Snubby" course I took, the laser really helped me, compared to my ’normal’ sighted “J“ frame. I got to shoot both in comparison.

Understand I have been shooting 'J' frames from 1967. I like them, know them and shoot them fairly well, but that laser makes hitting the mark out to 25yds much easier.

AS to preferred caliber for a BUG, let alone primary CCW I will let the Pro's speak:

Dr. Gary Roberts, leading terminal ballistics researcher in America today:

BUG's: .380 ACP vs. .38 Sp

If you are an LE officer, carry a BUG!!!

Many small, easily concealed semi-automatic pistols which are recommended for law enforcement backup or concealed carry use fire .380 ACP or smaller bullets. While these small caliber handgun bullets can produce fatal wounds,they are less likely to produce the rapid incapacitation necessary in law enforcement or self-defense situations.

Handguns chambered in .380 ACP are small, compact, and generally easy to carry. Unfortunately, testing has shown that they offer inadequate performance for self-defense and for law enforcement use whether on duty as a back-up weapon or for off duty carry. The terminal performance of .380 ACP JHP's is often erratic, with inadequate penetration and inconsistent expansion being common problems, while .380 ACP FMJ's offer adequate penetration, but no expansion. All of the .380 ACP JHP loads we have tested, including CorBon, Hornady, Federal, Remington, Speer, and Winchester exhibited inconsistent, unacceptable terminal performance for law enforcement back-up and off duty self-defense use due to inadequate penetration or inadequate expansion. Stick with FMJ for .380 ACP or better yet, don't use it at all. The use of .380 ACP and smaller caliber weapons is really not acceptable for law enforcement use and most savvy agencies prohibit them.

While both the .380 ACP and .38 sp can obviously be lethal; the .38 sp is more likely to incapacitate an attacker when used in a BUG role.

BUG--Infrequently used, but when needed, it must be 100% reliable because of the extreme emergency situation the user is dealing with. Generally secreted in pockets, ankle holsters, body armor holsters, etc... Often covered in lint, grime, and gunk. By their very nature, usually applied to the opponent in an up close and personal encounter, many times involving contact shots. A small .38 sp revolver is more reliable in these situations than a small .380 ACP pistol, especially with contact shots or if fired from a pocket.

The Speer Gold Dot 135 gr +P JHP and Corbon 110 gr DPX JHP offer the most reliable expansion we have seen from a .38 sp 2” BUG.

There have been many reports in the scientific literature, by Dr. Fackler and others, recommending the 158 gr +P LSWCHP as offering adequate performance. Please put this in context for the time that these papers were written in the late 1980's and early 1990's--no denim testing was being performed at that time, no robust expanding JHP's, like the Barnes XPB, Federal Tactical & HST, Speer Gold Dot, or Win Ranger Talon existed. In the proper historical perspective, the 158 gr +P LSWCHP fired out 3-4" barrel revolvers was one of the best rounds available--and it is still a viable choice, as long as you understand its characteristics.

While oversimplified, bare gelatin gives information about best case performance, while 4 layer denim provides data on worst case performance--in reality, the actual performance may be somewhere in between. The four layer denim test is NOT designed to simulate any type of clothing--it is simply an engineering test to assess the ability of a projectile to resist plugging and robustly expand. FWIW, one of the senior engineers at a very respected handgun ammunition manufacturer recently commented that bullets that do well in 4 layer denim testing have invariably worked well in actual officer involved shooting incidents.

With few exceptions, such as the Speer 135 gr +P JHP and Barnes XPB, the vast majority of .38 Sp JHP's fail to expand when fired from 2" barrels in the 4 layer denim test. Many of the lighter JHP's demonstrate overexpansion and insufficient penetration in bare gel testing. Also, the harsher recoil of the +P loads in lightweight J-frames tends to minimize practice efforts and decrease accuracy for many officers. The 158 gr +P LSWCHP offers adequate penetration, however in a 2" revolver the 158gr +P LSWCHP does not reliably expand. If it fails to expand, it will produce less wound trauma than a WC. Target wadcutters offer good penetration, cut tissue efficiently, and have relatively mild recoil. With wadcutters harder alloys and sharper leading edges are the way to go. Wadcutters perform exactly the same in both bare and 4 layer denim covered gel when fired from a 2" J-frame. For example, the Win 148 gr LWC: VEL = 657 f/s, PEN = 20"+, RD = 0.36", RL = 0.64", RW = 147.4 gr

For years, J-frames were considered "arm's reach" weapons, that is until CTC Lasergrips were added. With the mild recoil of target wadcutters, officers are actually practicing with their BUG's; when combined with Lasergrips, qualification scores with J-frames have dramatically increased. Now 5 shots rapid-fire in a 6" circle at 25 yds is not uncommon--kind of mind blowing watching officers who could not hit the target at 25 yds with a J-frame suddenly qualify with all shots in the black…

Before the advent of the 110 gr standard pressure Corbon DPX load, I used to carry standard pressure wadcutters in my J-frames with Gold Dot 135 gr +P JHP's in speed strips for re-loads, as the flat front wadcutters were hard to reload with under stress. My current J-frames are 342's; previously have used the 38 and 649. I like the 342 w/Lasergrips very much. Shooting is not too bad with standard pressure wadcutters and 110 gr DPX; not so comfortable with the Speer 135 gr JHP +P Gold Dots. Any of the Airweight J-frames are fine for BUG use. The steel 649's were a bit too heavy for comfortable all day wear on the ankle, body armor, or in a pocket. There is no reason to go with .357 mag in a J-frame, as the significantly larger muzzle blast and flash, and harsher recoil of the .357 Magnum does not result in substantially improved terminal performance compared to the more controllable .38 Special bullets when fired from 2” barrels.

At this point in time, the two best loads for 2" J-frames are the Corbon 110 gr JHP DPX standard pressure load and the Speer 135 gr +P JHP Gold Dot.

2" J-frames are a great BUG's and marginally acceptable low threat carry guns, because they are lightweight, reliable, and offer acceptable terminal performance at close range--downsides are difficulty in shooting well at longer ranges because of sight and sight radius limitations, along with reduced capacity coupled with slower reloading. Nonetheless, with the addition of CTC Laser Grips and an enclosed or shrouded hammer, the 2" J-frame models without key locks (I personally will NEVER own firearm with an integral lock) may be the best BUG's and most reliable pocket handguns available.

Another great BUG option if it can be comfortably carried, is a compact 3-3.5" barrel 9 mm pistol like the G26, Kahr PM9, Sig P239, or S&W 3913, as these offer superior terminal performance compared to either .380 ACP or .38 Sp handguns. A G26 is particularly nice when using a G19 or 17 as a primary weapon due to the ability to use the same magazines.

As always, don't get too wrapped in the nuances of ammunition terminal performance. Spend your time and money on developing a warrior mindset, training, practice, and more training.

Don't let professional advice stop you from what ever you are going to do and or use.

Go figure.

Fred

Stupid should hurt.
 
I would still take the Kel Tec over the LCP any day... I know that isnt the concensus here but after handling both the kel tec just feels better, the trigger is better and I have hot heard a single first hand issue out of kel tec owners... the same cannot be said of the LCP owners...

that said, I am glad you are happy with your gun
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top