Ruger Mark II vs Mark III

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I'm in the market for a 22. (To complement my Wonder Nine and 1911 45)

Can someone explain to me the difference between the Mark II vs Mark III? I think one difference is a magazine lockout, right? Any others?

I'm not big on lawyer induced safties, so is it possible to turn a Mark III into a Mark II? How difficult is it? How much more difficult is it to tear down a III vs a II?

And lastly, did Ruger add the same type of features onto the newer 22/45?
 
well this is what the MKIII has that the MKII does not:

Loaded chamber indicator
Mag disconnect
lock
Different mags and mag release (The MKII mags are the same price)

The MKIII and MKIII 22/45 have the same features, however the mags are different I think.

The difference in tear down to clean, The MKIII you have to insert and remove the mag for a step or two.

You can remove the mag disconnect on the MKIII then you will not have to insert the mag to take it down to clean.

Check out rimfirecentral.com <--lots-o-ruger-info
 
Can someone explain to me the difference between the Mark II vs Mark III?

The difference is Ruger added a bunch of unnecessary politically correct junk on the Mark III and made a time tested reliable pistol into something else.

I've had a Mark I since 1962 and a 22/45 since before 1995. They are very accurate, totally reliable fine guns. I wouldn't get rid of them for anything.

Recently I made the mistake of buying a MK III 22/45. The gun would not empty a magazine without at lease two jams.

Finally, I removed the Mickey Mouse loaded chamber indicator. The gun immediately functioned normally.

Then I removed the magazine "safety" just because it irritates me.:D

Knowing what I know now I would not buy a Mark III unless it was impossible to find a new or good used Mark II.
 
The new, yet not necessarily improved, Mark III has

Loaded chamber indicator
Magazine disconnect
Different mags and mag release
Lock

whereas the older Mark II, a more refined design by virtue of lacking the above 'lawyer proof' crap is what I prefer.

Like Bill Shakespeare said, "Kill all the lawyers". Sounds like a great place to start.

In all seriousness, short of "offing" the legal bottomfeeders, it is my genuine hope that the Mark III series will fail miserably and Ruger will be forced to "reintroduce" the Mark II series. Remington went through much the same thing with their stupid :banghead: integral "j" lock on the bolt shroud :banghead: of their rfiles and was forced to eliminate it due to piss poor sales of their rifle line.

So, c'mon Ruger! Do away with the lawyer inpsired "improvements" and bring back the Mark II!
 
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I have not been a gun owner for long, fired about 400 rounds through about 7 different guns, then decided since my wife liked the looks of the basic Ruger MK3 and was afraid of the bigger calibers to start off with the MK3.

I must say, at first it was a great gun (the first 200 rounds) because I purchased some CCI mini mags or whatever they are called for it. Those worked flawlessly.
Then when we were browsing the local Walmart I realized they sell ammo, and bought 6 Federal 550 round bulk packs. Also bought (upon my buddies reccomendation) some CCI shot shells. Had 1 jam and 1 failure to fire out of about 400 rounds. (I assumed it was the cheap ammo) Then played with the shot shells, horrible mistake as one broke (as pointed out, yes it was the feed ramp that made the plastic shell break) and shot and powder ran through the mag and the gun. A quick wipe of the gun and we were playing with it again, but after finishing that box of ammo, I noticed one of the mags was pretty sticky, crunchy, dirty (probably the one that had the broken shot shell pour into it?) Anyways, went home, dissasembled everything, cleaned it, lubed it, reassembled it.
The next day I went to the range and ran 5! 550! round box's through it! No cleaning, 4 failures to eject, 3 failures to fire. The mag is still sticky, so i bought another mag and everything is good, cleaned, lubed again, and played more at the range, enough for the Range Officer to ask me how many rounds I was planning to run through that day. Ha! Gotta love dumping $100 bucks worth of Bulk Ammo through a 22lr in one standing. (my feet were tired!)

So to clarify... Base madel MK3, 6k rounds through it (in under a week), less than a dozen failures, and works GREAT! In fact now that its broken in, it works even better.

I cleaned it, took my Sister in laws out to the range and let them each run 200 mini mags through it, not a single problem.
 
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The shotshells would not have functioned in your gun anyway, as they don't create enough pressure to operate the slide. It won't hurt your gun, but they aren't gonna work, either. It probably broke because those shot shells aren't made to go up a feed ramp.

The MkIII is, as almost everyone has stated, "lawyered up". Doesn't mean it's a bad gun, doesn't mean that they are piles of junk, but they changed the basic design enough that I am not interested in one over my much-beloved MkII's. The big selling point (after the "safety features") was that they had a standard push-button mag release as opposed to the MkII's heelclip release. Personally, I can't understand what the big deal is, because the heelclip is simple and quick to operate, and there is no particular need to tactically reload a .22 pistol anyway. The magazines are NOT cross compatible as far as I know. It is possible that the MkIII mags will work in a MkII, but I know that the MkII mags won't work in a MkIII.
 
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I'm stocking up on Mark II models. Already have one MKII, have two 22/45s on layaway at one store (One stainless, one blued.) and a MKI and MKII at another store. Plus a few more lined up as money allows.

I have noticed that the supply, at least where I am, is drying up. More people are hanging onto them because they know they aren't making any more. That and people like me are buying them all up. (Self fulfilling prophesy I guess.)

Paranoid? No, they really aren't making any more of them. Plus, its not like they will go down in value. (Unless any presidential candidates have their way.:barf: Got to gun-ban-proof congress.)
 
I've got three Mark II's and was going to sell one, a 50th Anniversary standard model I've kept unfired NIB. Now I'm going to keep and probably start shooting it. If Ruger comes to its senses they will offer both the MK II and Mark III models in the future. If people want the lawyer crap and button mag release then they can still buy it. If not they can choose a Mark II. I agree the heel mag release is no big deal. Works well, secure and easy to use.
 
The mag release on the bottom is my only "knock" on the MKII and earlier models.

Looked at a MKIII with all that ahhhhh stuff on it and passed.
 
I have a MKIII, I like it. I would choose it over the MKII because of the american mag release. I removed the the mag safety and now mags drop free and it disassembles like the MKII. The LCI has saved me an alibi or two at bullseye matches. The trigger is atrocious and the only way to fix it is to make new pins.
 
removed the the mag safety and now mags drop free and it disassembles like the MKII.

What does this entail? Is this a kit or something? Does it render the Mark III the same as a Mark II except for the mag release and Loaded Chamber indicator?
 
I removed the the mag safety and now mags drop free and it disassembles like the MKII.

What does this entail? Is this a kit or something? Does it render the Mark III the same as a Mark II except for the mag release and Loaded Chamber indicator?

I just did this today to my 22/45 MkIII.

You remove the hammer bushing, magazine disconnector and spring, replace the hammer bushing with a MkII hammer bushing from Brownells ($2.00, part # 780-100-019 ) and reassemble without the magazine disconnector and spring.

Quick explanation with pictures:
http://www.guntalk-online.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=634

Disassembly directions on how to do this are here for the 22/45 MkIII:
http://www.guntalk-online.com/2245detailstripping.htm

MkIII here:
http://www.guntalk-online.com/detailstrip.htm
 
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