Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle

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I have had a Mini-30 for many years and manage to get 2" or better groups with my hand loads.It has a small Burris 4 power scope on it that seems to handle the "recoil" just fine...
(.223 must be different in minis' than in m-16s...:rolleyes: )
 
Hello Froggy

A simple remedy while at the range to control the brass flinging just drape a shop towel over the rifle. Dosnt effect accuracy, forces the ejected brass to fall on the range table.

Also installing a different gas port bushing will help to prolong scope life. Takes about 15 minutes to DIY,remember to use a set of feeler guages to evenly re-torque the gas port housing.

Peace
Steel Talon:cool:
 
good news/M14ruger/MOA @ 500 yards/box stock

Perhaps the one best way to get interestingly close to what you shoot @ 500 yards at 9X for pennies is the Ruger ranch rifle in 223 remington. The equally over looked Bushnell sportview 3X9, used and ebayed at < 25$ will hold the 'zero'. The key is reloading, for accuracy and shooting within the envelope of designed in mechanical compromise s by Bill Ruger and Company. I learned this after the 'black rifle'/AR 15 cost 2X a mini 14 in 2000/California...Beginning, I sight in the rifle with reduced reloads consistinng of 6 gr Unique @ say 35 yards with a mil surplus Winchester 55 gr FMJBT. Also good for greviously pissing off Grey squirrels and their smaller cousins, if your shot is poor. Details follow. FMJ Grey Squirrels/Weaverville Basin Bloody red pancaked once across the autumn forested slope. Seconds before the stainless Ruger held the Grey Squirrel fatally suspended 40 feet up on the digger pine branch facing my position, the Bushnell’s (Ebay, 20$, sighted in with boiled linseed oil on all mounting surfaces/absolute necessity/dries gummy) 6x sportview centered on the crouching center of mass across the steep gully between us. His sporadic barking outbursts silenced as the left hand pulled the loop of the leather military slinged 223’s rifle butt into my shoulder while the right hand perceptibly tightened on the pistol griped stock. Momentarily concious of my trigger finger nearly pulling the full weight of the 7 1/2 lb rifle, our eyes now locked in mortal ernest for what could have been eternity, I am abruptly stunned with the arrival of the semi autos recoil and muzzle blast of the 55 gr. projectile’s launch (win 680 surplus 18 gr.) at 2800 feet per second, with only one unbeleavably swift after image retaining the instantanious explosion some 45 yards distant, or is it just my imagination... Head up, I Immediately glimpse the vacant limbed perch and pine tree and then frantically capture the questionable win of the dramatically crimsoned forms' midair tumble just above ground. No finishing shot here, game over. The continuing midmorning sun warmes all and forested quiet moved only by acorns and leaves falling resumed its progression as I recovered the final seen. Absolutely lethal. I had read that the bullet breaks into 2 pieces up to 200 yards distant. Pulled the safety back into the trigger guard and rose up to recover the Lake City brass case resting brightly several feet down slope, habitually examining the CCI primer for pressure. The 12$ 10 round clip had not jammed. Good. Alert and listening around I collected the Alice pack I had removed sitting down, slung the ranch rifle over left shoulder, butt at lower right just missing the holster Redhawk 44 and the 18 shell 12ga leather bandoleer. M 14's sling diagonally across my chest and over a sweat stained and whole pocked leather jacket, gifted Sears sportsman’s vest, 10X50 binoculars and game calls, green Alice packed and savage 311 at the ready, with 4 and 6 shot, left and right barrel, I gather my footing. An educated face framed with shoulder length brown hair and salt and pepper beard while peering threw sun darkened aviator glasses topped with a Pacific Avenue thrift store’s cream colored ski mask I am a squirrels worst nightmare, or maybe anyone’s worst nightmare. I lethally advance forwards towards my game, scanning for a deer trails’ zigzag easy descent over the steeply sloped pine needles covered ravine. I found none immediately, my Cabelas Ebay go devils finding fair purchase as I side stepped my way to the bottom of the ravine and arrived at the down squirrel 20 yards higher and back up hill. Initial frantic squirrel chatter to my left across the shady Californian stand of Doug fir and oak, sagebrush and digger pine beyond had silenced itself to my searching downhill intrusion minutes before. The closer male Grey got first vote as later stew meat surrounded by lentils, lima beans, carrots potatoes and onions and seasoned with bell pepper, olive oil and vinegar and pepper. An in season participant to the ferocious terminal ballistics of the FMJ .223 cartridge. Since 1981 I have taken at 400 Grey’s, wounded 5 (add lemond slices), with all caliber’s including 37 with a 410 Stevens Hercules shotgun during one winter in the Weaverville basin. There s more but returning to how accurate is the rifle, Mini 14, properly loaded and fired for accuracy? Believe my M 14 trigger is 7 lns plus/so what. Yep, all my firearms are box stock. Any way, last Sunday, Sept 07, using my improvised 20 inch high X 36 inch long X 10 wide [carpenter/sometimes] saw horse and 8 inch rolled up carpet I go 2 shots spaced 5 inches apart/55 gr and say 9 inches lower and 2 inches right ditto for 62 gr. The cases were mixed military lake city winchester mfg 85 thru 90,s mfg. The big deal here was the rest used [I have used over the backpack prone type shooting/similar results] pull rifle into shoulder/bedding down [firmly] into the pack and fire at will... Oh, your 17 gr W680 power scoop [lee says shake level once for theirs] is 38 super case, unsized and trimmed to say .845 " . Figure 2800 fps for 55 gr, good case extraction [not if your rifle is brand new, drops em at your feet or fails to eject first round cold barrel], rounded primer edges and say 2650 fps plus for 62 gr [don t go outa your way to get these 'better ballistics' morebetter/more expensive mil surplus bullets unless your felling really mean], flattented primer/significatly high pressure loading. Reason is in a later 10 to gusting 15 mph cross wind both bullets got blown astoundingly right 15 to 22 inches of the 30 gallon metal trash can with the blaze orange 1 fot square duct tapped across the front. I confess I did hold level with the top of the can with the trusty ebayed 3X9 Bushnel sportview/23$/Mini 14 ranch rifle [stainless steel] and the bullets landed 20 inches below the bottom and 4 inches right of center/Ah thats looking back at the ridge from the center of can and cutting down with knife to bullet impacts in the slope I was on.
 
GOOD GOD. Do you know what a paragraph is?

My shooting buddy had a mini 14 and regrets to this day selling it. He did remark more than once it was not overly accurate.

I have a Remington 7615 that shoots like a laser. Nothing i point it at is safe. It does not like S&B or Wolf ammo. The rims seem out of spec and do not eject every time. American ammo works great.
 
We did a comparison test of various assult rifle some years back when I was doing work for a title II gun manufacturer. One of the tests was dipersion. Various semi and select fire rifles were put into fixtures and fired for group dispersion at 100 meters.

What we found out was pretty interesting, and popped a lot of balloons - but matches similar test and Army acceptance standards.

They typical AR-16 and M16 rifle with military 20 inch HB barrel averaged about 2 MOA with M855 ammunition. Two AC-556 (select fire Mini-14) each averaged about 5 MOA. A variety of AKs were tested: Galil, Valmet, MAADI, Norinco. The Valmet did best, about 2-3 MOA, with the Galil almost identical. The Norinco was 5-6 MOA and the MAADI was 6-8 MOA.

Out of curiousity, we tried a couple of old favorites - and M1 Garand and a TRW built M-14, along with my SA 'loaded' M1A. The Garand, with a reasonably worn barrel (Danish return) did about 4 MOA, and the M-14 did slightly worse - almost 5 MOA. Ammunition was milspec Lake City.

Finally, My M1A (with match barrel) did 3 MOA with Lake City M80, but I was able to get 1.5 MOA with FGMM 168gn.

Afterwards, and surprised at the poor performance of the Garand and the M-14, I looked up the Government specs. The dispersion specs for both rifles was not more than 5.5 inches dispersion at 100 yards - and many rifles failed to make this standard.

To bring this back to the Mini - with milsurp ammo, there's no way you are going to get 1 or 2 MOA. There is enough variation in ammo alone that any small group will be pure chance. In the case of the AR-15 and M-16, we found the ammunition was the limiting factor, and by switching to match grade ammo, we could easily get 1.5 MOA or better from the AR-15/M16 when fired from a fixture. The Mini-14 (or in this case, the AC-556) was strictly a 2-4 MOA rifle with match ammo, and much worse with milspec ammo, but still better than the Average AK variant (but not as accurate as the Valmet and Galil). I am regurgitating this from memory, which has been known to be faulty, but I will try and dig up the original report.

Finally, this is not to say that there isn't the occasional great rifle that shoots much better than average. And ammunition is very much a factor. Expecting match grade ammo from milsurp ammo is definitely wishful thinking.

I like to think of the Mini-14 as an American AK. It is very reliable, relatively inexpensive and 'good enough' for the role intended. The original version had no provision for optics, which suggests to me that Bill Ruger understoood its limitation.

If you are like me, an accuracy fantatic, you will not enjoy the Mini-14. But if you want a rugged, simple to maintain, reliable and reasonably accurate plinker, HD rifle and reduced range hunter, the Mini-14 is a very good rifle. Now that there is a 6.8 version, it should make an excellent brush gun for medium sized game at moderate range, as well as serving in the other roles mentioned.

YMMV
 
I tried my Mini standing sling supported, 8 inches at 50 yards, Remington 55 gr loss leader ammo. I am waiting to try some 62gr handloads soon. I will be happy with 6 inches at 100 yards, like my dearly departed SKS. Dadgum magazines are NOT cheap, have two factory 20s, and one John Masen that works, one went back for replacement, new one coming. 580 series, good working rifle...what recoil?
 
The older Mini14's are black holes when it comes to getting them to shoot. I have bedded my action, installed an after market flash suppressor, and squared gas block, and installed a new gas port bushing to reduce ejection distance. It still shoots no better than 2 moa with handloads.

If I wanted to spend more than the rifle cost new it might improve that by 30-50% but to what avail? If I want a BR .223 I can sell the Mini, add several $100 to what I get and buy a RR, Bushmaster, or build one.
 
About 3 weeks ago, I was considering buying a Mini-14. I wasn't looking for a target rifle, because I already have several of those. I just wanted a rugged semi-auto rifle with detachable magazine.

After checking around for several days, the cheapest new Mini-14 I could find was $584 plus tax. And that was with one 5 round magazine.

Then I happened to discover a rifle called a Saiga. It is manufactured in Russia by the Izmash factory that manufactures the original AK-47's. The Saiga sporter rifle is basically an AK-47 design with a sporting (hunting) style stock. As you probably know, there are few semi-autos as dependable as the AK-47.

Anyway, to make a long story a little shorter, I purchased the Saiga sporter rifle with a 10 round magazine and synthetic stock for $280 BRAND NEW! I got the 7.62x39 caliber, but it is also available in .223 caliber and .308 caliber.

I'm quite happy with my purchase and think that the Saiga is every bit as durable and reliable as the Mini-14 which cost twice as much.
 
Since the OP is a PRK resident the Mini along with the SKS and M1 Garand or carbine and the M1A/M14 are pretty much the only options.

The Mini 14 is loved or hated by more people than perhaps any other rifle except the Armalite/Colt AR15/M16

It is not a long range precision varmint rifle it was not designed to be one.

Originally designed for law enforcement it was a great rifle to replace the many lever actions and M1 Carbines and a few SMG's used by officers and prison guards.

Once released for civilian sales it became the darling of ranchers farmers and those wanting a lightweight inexpensive simple carbine that offered allot of good features for the money.

It is minute of pie plate accurate and often minute of tea cup accurate especialy when the thin barrel heats up which it does when being fired allot.

A Mini 14 reminds me of an overgrown 10/22 (take both apart and compare barrels side by side) built like and M1 Carbine but firing the 5.56 round OK for light duty and plinking and medium range varmint hunting.

With factory magazines it is fairly reliable BUT most non factory mags are not up to snuff bad mags and ammo cause allot of the jams in these rifles.

Its not a bad gun but I would not spend more than $400-500 on one if I wanted to have one again.

Anything that a Mini 14 can do a Browning BAR II or Remington 7400 or 750 can do only in a better caliber (.243 308 30-06) and in the case of the Remington one can use a Triple K 10 round magazine and still be PRK legal.:D
 
I 2nd the Remington 7615. They are way more accurate than people give them credit for. The only people who seem to complain about them are writers for gun magazines. Every owner I’ve seen on THR loves theirs.

Here’s how I see it

Mini-14

Semi-auto a little faster
Accuracy 3-5in
Reliability ok
Magazines Mini-14 limited to 5
Using Wolf Ammo Ok
Cost 600-700 new

Remington 7615

Pump the Mini-14 has got it there
Accuracy .75-1.5in
Reliability very good
Magazines AR-15
Using Wolf Ammo Pretty good
Cost 500-600 new

You choose.
 
I was checking out a Ruger Mini-14 at my local gun shop the other day and the guy behind the counter said he wouldn't recommend it. He said the Mini-14 just sprays bullets and isn't accurate at all.
He really didn't have much good to say about it.
Gee, an independently wealthy gun shop owner/employee who doesn't need to sell guns to make a living.

Pilgrim
 
CA shooters, go check out www.calguns.net .

You CAN have an AR15 type rifle with a detachable magazine.

You CAN have a SAIGA type rifle in 308, .62x39, .56x45.

It just requires a good knowledge of what the law requires, and what the law does not. That said, I own a 580 series Mini14 and I like it a lot. I shoot up to about 100 yards at most with it, and it kills plastic water bottles just great. The thing I like most about it is that it's rugged, simple, and light. It is way better than an SKS, stock Saiga, fixed magazine AR15, or SU16 in a home defense role. For most people, it is also a better grab choice than M1A, FAL, G3, etc.

Where it falls is after 100 yards. At that point, the advantages of weight, manueverability, and reliability diminish. Between 100-200 I would go either AR15 or SAIGA / AK, in California legal configurations or otherwise. After 200 I would move to the M1A / FAL platforms, with a major bias toward the FAL.

Under 50 yards, I'd go to the shotguns.

Under 15 yards, handguns.
 
I like to think of the Mini-14 as an American AK. It is very reliable, relatively inexpensive and 'good enough' for the role intended.
I hope you are either joking or haven't looked at one recently. They are going for about $700 new. The good news is that the new target model is built on brand new tooling and actually shoots MOA. Too bad it retails for around $1000.
 
It's easy to find a Mini-14 around here in the $400-500 range that's in pretty good shape. But I haven't bought a new one in a few years.
 
Ok, the new ones are made on new tooling and are supposed to be fairly accurate. Around here $600 is about the going rate on nice used ones. I like the American AK description. Heck, you can even get one in 7.62x39.
 
I am in aggreance with a few other members here. Anybody who says the mini-14 has "ok" reliability definitely is a little biased. The mini-14/30 is extremely reliable. My mini-30 will shoot 2 inches at 100 yards using quality ammo with no problems. I believe anybody who says their mini will only shoot above 5 inches needs to practice some breathing techniques or clean their barrel. This subject could go on for an eternity.
 
Sentinel-

I've owned a Mini for a while and I haven't had any problems. I tricked mine out with a butler creek folding stock, flash suppressor, red-dot sight, and stainless 20rnd mags, along with a single point sling. But then again, it all depends what you want it for.

I like the Mini for many reasons, one of being which the price. I can buy two mini's for the cost of an AR. Accuracy is pretty good. For me I use a red dot, and I can get good shots at 100-150 yards.

If you live in a semi-urban environment, the Mini is not as "assault weapon
looking" as a AR type weapon. If low profile is you thing a mini would be a good choice.

Hope this helps.
 
I believe anybody who says their mini will only shoot above 5 inches needs to practice some breathing techniques or clean their barrel. This subject could go on for an eternity.
The best group my 188-series Ranch Rifle ever shot was 5.5", cold barrel, front rest, rear bag, and I've shot sub-1" groups at 100 yards with other rifles, so it wasn't me. I tried it with and without optics, various bullet weights (40 to 69 gr), match ammo, three different stocks.

Relatively accurate mini's do exist, but they are not representative of the entire breed. Most of the accurate-mini claims pertain to older mini's or very recent ones, whereas mine was a 1989 model.

Mine was indeed supremely reliable, but mine was one of the less accurate specimens.
 
Even tho this was originally posted almost a year ago, since its been resurrected, I'll add my $.02 worth. Owned several Mini's over time a few years back, and I've got to say that "I've never met a Mini I didn't like"! No matter what kind of abuse I gave them, they always functioned, and held up great. Thank God, back in those days, there wasn't any internet. If I would have known how bad they were, I'd have been scared to take them hunting every day, and would have gotten rid of them! LOL. Anyway, back then when I wanted a new gun, I pretty much had to sell one to buy something new. So, these ended up moving on. Now that I can afford a firearm now and then, I think its time to pick another one up to go with the AR, AK, M1A, etc. Greg
 
Make sure U R Getting the Mini-14 580-Series at Academy Sports

I have noticed that the old model Ruger Mini-14 is still being sold new in the box at gun stores as/and for the accepted price of the Mini-14 580-Series (NEW Model). Make sure your Gun Dealer is not selling you the model that has not been produced by Ruger since 2006 because of accuracy problems! I made Academy sports aware and they could care less. I am finding the OLD model new in the box in gun stores for prices ranging from $475-$500.
Just be observant...
 
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