adcoch1
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Well if I had one I'd throw up a pic... But plagiarism is frowned upon around here or id share the beauty I found on gunbroker today...
Ruger No. 1 Tropical
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Here's a picture of a No1 Tropical in 458 Win Mag. I found it cheap on the used gun rack a dozen years ago, and had to buy it. It was a beauty. The first time I shot it was in the summer, off a concrete bench, in a T-shirt. That baby kicked. I was done after shooting four 350gr@2410fps and four 400gr@2350fps. I ended up selling it on consignment the year before Covid for more than twice what I paid. It seems that it has nearly doubled in value again since then.
1KPerDay
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Not sure you understand how plagiarism works. Post up a link; the seller would appreciate the extra views.
adcoch1
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Ok then, here's the beauty I want and can't afford right now...
Ruger No. 1, Iternational, 7 X 57, 1986, MINTY - Single Shot Rifles at GunBroker.com : 1033318379
Buy Ruger No. 1, Iternational, 7 X 57, 1986, MINTY: GunBroker is the largest seller of Single Shot Rifles Rifles Guns & Firearms All: 1033318379
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westernrover
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I'm not posting pics until I've got one. No sense in generating competition when I'm looking to buy.
So I've come to understand that most of the 45-70's are No. 1-S with a shorter 22" and lighter barrel profile. The Tropicals are 1-H with 24" D-weight barrels and are extraordinarily rare in 45-70. The 458 has the 24" D-weight barrel (but is not rare like the 45-70 in this configuration). Some of the 1-H Tropical rifles in the smaller bores have a 24" barrel but in the lighter C-weight profile. This would be the 375 H&H, 405 Win. and I think the 400/450 Nitro. I think the 404, 416 Rigby and most dangerous game chamberings 45 or larger have the more massive D-weight barrel profile. Those are ~9-pound rifles vs. the 1-S that are in the 7-pound range. I think a 45-70 loaded with high-pressure "Ruger No. 1" loads would deliver more recoil than a 458 because of the difference in the weight of the rifle -- that was mentioned in the post #43.
I like the 458 Winchester Magnum. It's American. With modern powders and the No. 1's ability to handle high pressure, I'm confident it will meet the standard with a 24" barrel. I can see the allure of the traditional British cartridges, and even the extra performance of the Lott, the extra length of which has little consequence in a No. 1 (no need for a magnum-length receiver as on a bolt-action). The 460 Weatherby is all-American, but I noticed the bidding has been high on an example that has considerable blemishes like rack rash from a crowded safe. I suppose that chambering must be rare and there are collectors after it. I hadn't imagined myself collecting, but I think if I had some of the knowledge that collectors have, I could at least avoid unexpected depreciation or paying too much for something. I know there is a gentleman named Lee Newton that knows a lot about No. 1's. I've listened to him some. I wish I knew everything he did about them, but I imagine all that knowledge has cost something. I don't have a desire to speculate or a hope that a rifle I buy will appreciate at a rate greater than inflation. I don't want to sell it, so if it were to gain anything, the profit would be someone else's after I have no use for guns.
So I've come to understand that most of the 45-70's are No. 1-S with a shorter 22" and lighter barrel profile. The Tropicals are 1-H with 24" D-weight barrels and are extraordinarily rare in 45-70. The 458 has the 24" D-weight barrel (but is not rare like the 45-70 in this configuration). Some of the 1-H Tropical rifles in the smaller bores have a 24" barrel but in the lighter C-weight profile. This would be the 375 H&H, 405 Win. and I think the 400/450 Nitro. I think the 404, 416 Rigby and most dangerous game chamberings 45 or larger have the more massive D-weight barrel profile. Those are ~9-pound rifles vs. the 1-S that are in the 7-pound range. I think a 45-70 loaded with high-pressure "Ruger No. 1" loads would deliver more recoil than a 458 because of the difference in the weight of the rifle -- that was mentioned in the post #43.
I like the 458 Winchester Magnum. It's American. With modern powders and the No. 1's ability to handle high pressure, I'm confident it will meet the standard with a 24" barrel. I can see the allure of the traditional British cartridges, and even the extra performance of the Lott, the extra length of which has little consequence in a No. 1 (no need for a magnum-length receiver as on a bolt-action). The 460 Weatherby is all-American, but I noticed the bidding has been high on an example that has considerable blemishes like rack rash from a crowded safe. I suppose that chambering must be rare and there are collectors after it. I hadn't imagined myself collecting, but I think if I had some of the knowledge that collectors have, I could at least avoid unexpected depreciation or paying too much for something. I know there is a gentleman named Lee Newton that knows a lot about No. 1's. I've listened to him some. I wish I knew everything he did about them, but I imagine all that knowledge has cost something. I don't have a desire to speculate or a hope that a rifle I buy will appreciate at a rate greater than inflation. I don't want to sell it, so if it were to gain anything, the profit would be someone else's after I have no use for guns.
westernrover
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That's nicer wood than what I've seen on the few 458's I've looked at recently.
troy fairweather
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Inconceivable!
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maybe likes firearms a little bit…
“Never get into a battle of wits with a Sicilian when a No. 1 Tropical is on the line!” - Vizzini
Not a Tropical, but just picked up a B in .22 K Hornet.
Of course, no ammo to be found (reg Hornet to blow out to K).
Trying to find a gloss scope for it, M8 12X Varmint.
Shoot some chucks w it this summer and then see if it gets rebarreled or not.
Thinkin stainless factory contour .243 if so.
Ruger #1s get in the blood. If I find a clean .243 like new, then could send the K off to be redone as a 35 rem.
Bought to rebarrel but prev owner says its a tackdriver.
Of course, no ammo to be found (reg Hornet to blow out to K).
Trying to find a gloss scope for it, M8 12X Varmint.
Shoot some chucks w it this summer and then see if it gets rebarreled or not.
Thinkin stainless factory contour .243 if so.
Ruger #1s get in the blood. If I find a clean .243 like new, then could send the K off to be redone as a 35 rem.
Bought to rebarrel but prev owner says its a tackdriver.
Jim Watson
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Not a Tropical but now you mention a K Hornet...
A friend bought a No 3 in K Hornet with Bubba grade stock checkering and varnish.
He put on No 1 stock and foreend, and cut off the tail of the lever to resemble a Sharps instead of a Winchester.
We now call it a No 2.
It was not notably accurate in K Hornet so he had it rechambered .223 which shoots better with 50-55 gr bullets.
A friend bought a No 3 in K Hornet with Bubba grade stock checkering and varnish.
He put on No 1 stock and foreend, and cut off the tail of the lever to resemble a Sharps instead of a Winchester.
We now call it a No 2.
It was not notably accurate in K Hornet so he had it rechambered .223 which shoots better with 50-55 gr bullets.
1KPerDay
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Good heavens that’s gorgeous
JeffG
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Quite seriously, the .458 shoots cast bullets quite nicely. 50 brass could last the life of the rifle. Keeping velocity in the 1600-1800fps range, it is great for hogs, deer, elk... The meat damage is considerably less than a lot of the modern centerfire rifle calibers.
If I see a Ruger No. 1 that has exceptional wood, and is in pristine condition, and seems to call out my name, even though it is chambered for something I would rather not shoot, well, I keep in mind that I can have it re-barreled. Any talented ‘smith should be able to handle the task.
I do recall seeing recipes for .458 Win Mag, that result in .45-70 Govt ballistics. A 1H Tropical is considerably heavier than the usual 1S that chambers .45-70 Govt.
My 1H Tropical is .375 H&H, which kicked me less than a Browning 1885 chambered .45-70 Govt. I sold the Browning, long ago. Of course, it could be that a Ruger No. 1 stock simply fits me better than a Browning 1885 stock.
I do recall seeing recipes for .458 Win Mag, that result in .45-70 Govt ballistics. A 1H Tropical is considerably heavier than the usual 1S that chambers .45-70 Govt.
My 1H Tropical is .375 H&H, which kicked me less than a Browning 1885 chambered .45-70 Govt. I sold the Browning, long ago. Of course, it could be that a Ruger No. 1 stock simply fits me better than a Browning 1885 stock.
If I shoot groundhogs in humid summer conditions can I call it a "Tropical" ? LOL
highlander 5
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I've had a No 1 in 45/70 and with heavy loads it's a bruiser,oddly enough had a chance to fire a No 1 in 375 H&H with the weight difference the 375 was on the same level as my heavy 45/70 loads. Anyeay a 458 is just what you need for any pachyderms prancing in tou bed of petunias.
adcoch1
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Been so long since I watched that movie....thanks for that.
My .22 K Hornet has had a trigger job, and wears a speed hammer.
Big red dot visible when cocked. Ugh.
Its strictly a varmint gun, as IMHO its too light for conversion to a deer rig.
I'll proly have a stainless .243 B profile bbl put on later this summer.
Unless I really love how the .22 K does on chucks.
Big red dot visible when cocked. Ugh.
Its strictly a varmint gun, as IMHO its too light for conversion to a deer rig.
I'll proly have a stainless .243 B profile bbl put on later this summer.
Unless I really love how the .22 K does on chucks.
