Rules for shipping a percussion revolver to New Jersey?

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Hi:
I've got a fella wants to buy a percussion revolver, but he lives in New Jersey.
I've always had the thought that NJ laws don't distinguish between cap guns and cartridge guns & it would have to go to an FFL.

Appreciate some advice from you NJ pards.
Thanks in advance
--Dawg
 
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Really, Lets apply some critical thinking. The cap gun does not come under the classification of a weapon and to you are able to send them through the mail, there is no age restrictions on the purchase or possession of a cap gun. And as a final proof, they can be bought at your local grocery store, they are right next to the the deadly and dangerous can openers.
 
You are close unregistered BB guns in New Jersey can get your kid a felony rap.

Here in NYC although not a felony rap they are totally banned.

In NYC if your cap gun does not meet some stict criteria concerning whether or not it looks too much like a real gun you can get into some trouble. On the other hand if your real gun looks too much like a toy you can get into trouble also.

I guess that means no pretty looking subcompact pink .45s for your wife or other jazzy looking colors that suite ones fancy. By decree your real gun has to look black, grey, or whatever color is ugly Bahhh Haaahhh Haaaah Haaah by order of the great great pupua Cuomo all guns owners must not be allowed see any bright cheerful colors on their guns.
 
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Under NJ law they are firearms, and if bought in NJ require purchase from an FFL or NJ individual, both cases requiring the use of a Pistol Purchase Permit, the same one you use for any other handgun purchase. Those take 6-8 weeks to get and you are rationed to one every 30 days. Bottom line is that most NJ residents go to Pennsylvania and buy their C&B stuff over the counter without any hassle, and bring them back.

If you ship it to NJ, you can hypothetically be prosecuted by NJ for breaking their laws. So... don't do it.

Since handguns in NJ are not "registered" per se (IE: anything you legally procure elsewhere, say in a former state of residence, can be brought in and kept without registration), if a NJ resident brings one in from out of state, they are legal to have. But if the transaction takes place in NJ, it's a crime if no pistol permit is used for the purchase.


Willie

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A black powder revolver is considered the same as a modern handgun under NJ law.

A NJ permit to purchase a handgun is required.
 
^^ As is a BB pistol.

Which is why nobody sells either in NJ when NJ residents can just drive to Cabelas in Pennsylvania, buy either, and then drive home.


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How can Dawg be in trouble though? He doesn't live in New Jersey. But the guy who is buying it that lives in NJ should know that and know he can't legally receive it and that it has to go through a FFL dealer. So the New Jersey resident is in trouble because he should know that but Dawg doesn't.
 
It may not save any more money but if you send it in parts? but then he may mess it up putting it together and then say you sent him something broken.
 
"How can Dawg be in trouble though?"


Easy. He would have engaged in a felonious act under the state laws of NJ.
Warrant would be issued by NJ for arrest.

Get caught (which is pretty unlikely, but still), and here's how it works:



Entered into the NCIS system.

Pulled over anyplace for a traffic ticket a few years from now? Move on to the following steps:

Arrested by any cop, anywhere.

Extradition to NJ in chains.

Indictment after Grand Jury.

Trial.

Incarceration.




Not a good chain of events. Not worth it.


Willie

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Paririe Dawg, I am the one who needs to be sorry, about the confusion. It would appear that I'm reading at 4th grade level with 2nd. grade comprehension. It is my fault!!:uhoh:
 
Willie Sutton said:
"How can Dawg be in trouble though?"

Easy. He would have engaged in a felonious act under the state laws of NJ.
Warrant would be issued by NJ for arrest.
Get caught (which is pretty unlikely, but still), and here's how it works:

Entered into the NCIS system.
Pulled over anyplace for a traffic ticket a few years from now? Move on to the following steps:
Arrested by any cop, anywhere.
Extradition to NJ in chains.
Indictment after Grand Jury.
Trial.
Incarceration.
Not a good chain of events. Not worth it.
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Yes and since percussion revolvers are considered a regular handgun in NJ. The penalties are harsh. And anyone shipping a percussion revolver into NJ will face up to 10 years!

http://www.morristownnjcriminallawpost.com/gun-charges/


i. "Transporting firearms into this State for an unlawful sale or transfer. Any person who knowingly transports, ships or otherwise brings into this State any firearm for the purpose of unlawfully selling, transferring, giving, assigning or otherwise disposing of that firearm to another individual is guilty of a crime of the second degree."

And...in addition, they will be facing charges under the "Graves Act"

"Unlawful Disposition of a Firearm: Grading and the Graves Act"

"As the above statute details, depending on the subsection in which the crime is charged, a charge for unlawful disposition of a firearm can be a second degree, third degree, or fourth degree crime. A second degree crime has a prison range of five (5) to ten (10) years as well as a presumption of imprisonment even with no prior criminal record. "


"NJ and You...Purrrfect Together" - Former NJ Governor Tom Kean (from an old NJ tourism ad from years ago)

There should be a sticky of this.......
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With the intent to, and look at the addendum to the law;

"The temporary transfer of a firearm while hunting or target shooting, the transfer of any firearm that uses air or carbon dioxide to expel a projectile, or the transfer of an antique firearm shall not constitute a violation of this subsection.

Transfer of an Antique Firearm, now what does New Jersey consider an antique firearm.

I still think it would take an enormous effort by a New Jersey Grand Jury to level charges against Dawg for selling a black powder revolver to a New Jersey resident. Now the resident of New Jersey they could but Dawg???
 
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^^ Let's stop playing word games:

New Jersey WILL, if a shipper is caught shipping a firearm into NJ (including operable cap and ball revolvers) put an absolute screwing to the shipper, and will see them in jail with no ands, ifs, or buts.

Trust me here, guys. I was prosecuted for the crime of manufacturing a firearm without a license in NJ after I bought an AR-15 lower from a FFL there and then had the timerity to actually add parts to it and make it operable. No matter that Federal Law says a lower is a firearm, and no matter that NJ law says a lower is a firearm. I was STILL arrested, tossed into jail (where I spent a week), indicted, and then prosecuted for the crime of manufacturing a firearm without a license. It cost beau-coup bucks to defend, I was aquitted, and it took me years to pay off my legal bills. If you ger caught shipping in a black powder revolver you will not win your case. Jail is no fun. Trust old Willie, please.

Willie

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I think Willie has the final word on the subject.

In short, don't.
 
Looks like you are down to 49 states that you can legally ship your non gun, gun to and possibly down to 47. They will just keep on chipping away until one day it is 0. But by then I will hopefully be snoozing in my grave and not having to deal with it. The ones I really feel sorry for is my grandchildren who will not have the freedoms that I have enjoyed unless something changes.
 
I think this falls into the category of you would be more than happy to ship it to a friend or relative with an out of state address and how he gets it from them to him is their business.
 
Address to:

XXX, Care of General Delivery
Border Town to New Jersey
Pennsylvania, xxxxx


I live on a boat winters, and pick up my mail like this every week, in someplace different. In the old days all mail was held for pickup. That delivery thing is new-fangled, best stick to old fashioned ways for old fashioned delivery of old fashioned things.... ;)


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