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Russian Space Gun...DRILLING pistol.

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  1. WestKentucky

    WestKentucky Member

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    Where has this been all of my life? And more importantly, where is there more information and images of this wonderful yet ugly beast which is close kin to my dream gun. I love drilling’s and will someday own one, may have to build something like this in 20 years when my skills and funds catch up with my dreams.

    http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2014/11/drilling-pistol-part-of-russian-space.html?m=1

    How have I not seen this thing discussed on here?
     
  2. Mizar

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    Maybe it's because nobody have seen one in person, let alone handle it and shoot it? It's a scarce gun, build in some very limited quantities. I highly doubt that, outside some collector piece with a crazy price tag, we will ever see one. You can google TP-82, or TOZ-82 for some basic information, but there are no real reviews, or tests. Even in Russian gun forums information about it is very, very little and no different than the Wikipedia article.
     
  3. Ron James

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    While it has not been discussed on this forum ( that I remember ) it has been covered in a number of books and magazines in the past., oops, I forgot, very few people read the printed word any more.
     
  4. Carl N. Brown

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    The back story goes that the parachuted Voskhod capsule of cosmonaut Alexy Leonov landed off course. He spent a night in the Siberian wilderness afraid to exit his capsule due to the possibility of meeting (un)friendly bears and wolves. He demanded the survival kit should include a weapon more suitable for wilderness survival than the standard 9mm sidearm. Cosmonauts from 1986 to 2006 were issued the TP-82. (I don't think you could access the survival kit until after the capsule landed.)

    It's a three barreled Hodah lookin' thing with two 40 gauge (12.5x70mm) smoothbore barrels over a 5.45x39mm rifled barrel. I believe the shotshell selection included signal flares. (They actually tested them by foraging for wild game in Siberia.) When the flares were determined to be past their use-by date, they decided to go back to 9mm handguns as the survival kit gun. Since our military issued .38 Spls carried by WWII/Korean War aircrew as survival guns included tracer ammo for signal purposes, I would suspect the Soviet 9mm ammo includes tracers for the flare gun function, or has everyone gone to the disposable flare launchers?

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    Triple-barreled TP-82 pistol in Saint-Petersburg Artillery museum
    photograph made 24 Oct 2010 by Wikimedia User One half 3544 and placed in public domain.

    The survival machette and sheath can be clipped to the butt and used as a shoulderstock. Use of the machette as a shoulderstock without the sheath is not recommended. 40 gauge (12.5x70mm) shotshells are approximately 0.5 by 2.76" and compare to our .410 3" bore shotshells. I could see the utility of a .410/.45LC double over .22 Hornet replica, but would ATF FTB approve a machette and sheath as an arm brace?
     
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  5. Mizar

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    Carl, I don't think that Russians ever used (or developed) a 9mm PM tracer round. Bellow is a picture (from Wikipedia) with the recent survival kit with a link to the article describing it. Just bellow the trigger guard of that PM is a white box, marked "CARTRIDGES" in Russian. On that picture I don't see anything else that can be identified as tracers.

    P.S. Edit: seems that I'm wrong about the 9x18 tracers - it was called 9x18 PT. The ''PT" should stand for "Cartridge, Tracer" or in Russian languadge "Patron Trassiruiushtey". But still, on that photo I don't see such cartridges and I don't think that the whole box (looks like 16 rounds) could be tracers - Russians should mark it in some way.

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    http://theappendix.net/posts/2013/11/the-cosmonauts-survival-kit
     
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    There was also another valid reason, other than the animals for the cosmonauts to have a firearm available. There are areas where the populist hates the Russians with a passion. including but not limited to the Cossacks, the Tartars and the Mongos. There was the very real possibly of the capsule landing in the mist of very unfriendly people.
     
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    I can't imagine anything about that pistol being effective on bears...but hen again it's Russian territory and hey have been known to make their bears into housepets.
     
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    Well, 5.45x39 is not overly effective for brown bears either. Not to mention the .410 (36 gauge) shells...
     
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    As with most government procurement programs, it was never about making an effective bear defense. It was always about making the cosmonauts think it was an effective bear defense.
     
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    Guys, contrary to the popular believe, Russians were/are actually quite pragmatic regarding the survival of high rank personnel. So, if cosmonauts really needed a bear defense gun they would definitely receive one. See, those cosmonauts were recruited usually from the Air Force, so those guys definitely knew a thing or two about survival and round efficiency (for brown bears) - they cannot be easily fooled that those tiny 5.45 mm rounds will be effective enough for defense. The TP-82 primary function was an emergency hunting gun, not a self defense one. We cannot view that pistol out of the context of the time frame - it was introduced in 1986. In those times cosmonauts were expected to spend up to several days alone in the wilderness until the rescue team shows up and they had to feed with something. Remember, in the early kits Russians put even fishing equipment - hooks, fishing line, spoon baits... But as the technology advanced tracking of that capsule became quicker and more efficient, therefore the time spent until rescue arrived became shorter - several days became just a couple, the couple of days became one day (usually) and etc. I believe that back in the 2006, when that ammo expired, they simply saw no reason to continue using that kit - I mean, how tough it might be for them to organize new ammo production? They simply decided that a Makarov pistol was good enough.
     
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    It has very little to do with bears I believe. Last I knew it costs about $10,000 per POUND to get something into orbit. The reduction in bore size no doubt decreased cost, although I couldn't tell you for certain that's why they did it in this case. I do know that many things in the US space program were miniaturized or reduced to save weight and I would assume the Soviets did the same. When you consider the great lengths gone to in order to make food lighter, (among other things) very little involving space travel seems inconsequential when it comes to overall weight - even if it's only maybe a pound of difference total loadout between different shotshell sizes.
     
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    Whilst on the topic of Russian spaceman's pistols, here is one that didn't make it back in very good condition:

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    The owner, comrade Vladimir Komarov, didn't fair any better as you can imagine! :eek:
     
  13. Carl N. Brown

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    What really happened to the Russian survival pistol......

    One night up at the ISS the boys were sitting around the campfire telling tales and spinning yarns and listening to the Canadian play a guitar.

    After a brief excitement from a drifting flaming marsh mellow one of the Russians was poking lightly at the American for his antics at dodging lava like drifting goo. "Is nothing! Is inanimate flaming food! How would you act if you met a bear?"

    The Canadian immediately chorded up and went with "The other day, I met a bear, a great big bear, a way up there....."

    "Really Uri, a bear? What the heck would you do?" came back the American whipping sticky blackened goo from his one piece PJ.

    "Bear is no problemski.....as I have THIS!" At which the Russian brandishes that triple barrel monstrosity. The Canadian stops strumming the git-box long enough to see if the barrels are at least 4.1 inches long. The American hurts himself laughing.

    Through out the remainder of the mission both the Canadian and American include in at least every shifts comments "LOOK OUT, A BEAR!!!!" and insert comments like "Must remember to shave so Uri does not mistake me for a bear.

    Former Soviet Ground control is so embarrassed at over hearing these comments that the "bear gun projeck" is dropped and slides into history.

    Canadian goes home to tell tales of Cowboys and Cossacks. American goes home to view his extensive gun collection. Uri makes a safe landing and is eaten by a bear, too embarrassed to pull out the drilling pistol.

    Sorry, just had to share that........

    -kBob
     
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    That'll just buff right out. :p
     
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