S.F. sues online gun suppliers for selling illegal magazines

[jgiehl]

Doesn't it seem odd that they're suing when the law doesn't even take effect until July 1?
I'm no genius but nonlaw has been broken yet correct?

 

[Zoogster]

Not just the rifles, I can't think of a police force with a duty handgun in 9mm or .40S&W that uses a magazine holding 10 rounds or less for patrol officers.


As for when it takes effect, I believe the July date is more for the banning of all previously grandfathered magazines, which in 2000 they promised existing gun owners they could keep when they banned future purchase of new ones. They promised no ban was coming, and only new purchases and transfers of those magazines (and the weapons they were banning at the same time) were forbidden. That and the law enforcement exemption placated enough of the population to allow the legislation to pass.
Magazines holding over 10 rounds were banned in 2000 in CA, but those already owned were grandfathered. Now those grandfathered magazines are illegal too, it doesn't matter how long they have been owned in the state.

 

[danez71]

My thing is, if this company broke the law, then why aren't charges being filed? It would seem to be a simple matter of the state AG pressing charges

Because you don't file charges against a company (LLC and all that); you sue them instead which is what they are doing.

 

[danez71]

Doesn't it seem odd that they're suing when the law doesn't even take effect until July 1?
I'm no genius but nonlaw has been broken yet correct?

They be suing under AB48 that was singed in 2013 and went into effect 01-01-2014 and modified California PC 32311.

Its dicey IMO. Those addressed hi cap mag conversion kits (making a 15 round mag out of a 10 round mag, for example), not specifically rebuild kits. But the definition of such kits can be interpreted to include rebuild kits.

Again, they've been successful before... in 2013 before the above even was written.

What they do is sue them into submission.

 

[danez71]

A big part of why we are going downhill is police exemptions, we don't force the police to speak out on behalf of lawful firearm ownership, including the types of firearms and magazines they all use, because they are exempted.
Legislators can claim these weapons are only good for mass murder, yet every patrol car has them and law enforcement would be making huge protests if subject to such restrictions.

I don't think there is a LEO exemption for prop 63? ammo crud. That's why LEA were publically against it.... but it passed anyway.

 

[loose noose]

You don't suspect the high ratio of illegal immigrants in that populated area of the state with illegal voting rights would have an effect on the outcome of who gets elected, and thereby makes those anti gun politicians constructing those laws do you?

 

[Zoogster]

I do know the big change in the politics of the state in the last couple decades come largely from the change in demographics as a result of immigration.

Entire cities declare themselves sanctuary cities, defying federal immigration law openly, and are not sued, punished, or stripped of federal funding.
America is changing rapidly and I believe a lot of it is directly tied to absorbing too many foreigners too quickly.
You have to bring them in in the numbers that they assimilate, not replace the culture already present.
RKBA takes a direct hit.

Mexico is far harsher on immigrants on its southern border than the US has ever been, while encouraging its poorest and least educated citizens to go to the USA and send checks back home. Improving Mexico at the expense of the US.
CA passed a California Dream Act that gives children of illegals free education and college, paid for by the CA tax payers. The guy behind the bill and former legislator that reached his term limits is a member of the Council of La Raza, which means The Race and is a prejudice movement that helps only hispanics and has been a supporter of Aztlan mythology, a reclaiming of the Southwestern United States and everything previously part of Mexico and more. (The irony of a movement popular with people claiming native heritage defending the sparsely inhabited territory held by their conquerors and those descended more of Spaniard heritage.)
Which basically teaches that everything lost in the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo is theirs anyways, and more, because it is where the Aztecs came from before going to Mexico.

I never thought such things were more than the search for identity of the uneducated, but when you see people behind such things create policies that transform parts of the United States it no longer seems like the benign beliefs of people looking for identity.

The US is set to become significantly Mexican anyways, but it needs to be at a pace that doesn't replace the culture we have and instead absorbs them into our culture. I prefer the US culture and values to those of Mexico, and it is a big part of what makes us a better place to be.

 

[Gaucho Gringo]

But that is what the political left wants to do, replace American culture, values and social mores with one that fits their agenda with a one worldwide government: IE 1984. Know thy enemy.

 

[salt&battery]

I do know the big change in the politics of the state in the last couple decades come largely from the change in demographics as a result of immigration.

Entire cities declare themselves sanctuary cities, defying federal immigration law openly, and are not sued, punished, or stripped of federal funding.
America is changing rapidly and I believe a lot of it is directly tied to absorbing too many foreigners too quickly.
You have to bring them in in the numbers that they assimilate, not replace the culture already present.
RKBA takes a direct hit.

Mexico is far harsher on immigrants on its southern border than the US has ever been, while encouraging its poorest and least educated citizens to go to the USA and send checks back home. Improving Mexico at the expense of the US.
CA passed a California Dream Act that gives children of illegals free education and college, paid for by the CA tax payers. The guy behind the bill and former legislator that reached his term limits is a member of the Council of La Raza, which means The Race and is a prejudice movement that helps only hispanics and has been a supporter of Aztlan mythology, a reclaiming of the Southwestern United States and everything previously part of Mexico and more. (The irony of a movement popular with people claiming native heritage defending the sparsely inhabited territory held by their conquerors and those descended more of Spaniard heritage.)
Which basically teaches that everything lost in the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo is theirs anyways, and more, because it is where the Aztecs came from before going to Mexico.

I never thought such things were more than the search for identity of the uneducated, but when you see people behind such things create policies that transform parts of the United States it no longer seems like the benign beliefs of people looking for identity.

The US is set to become significantly Mexican anyways, but it needs to be at a pace that doesn't replace the culture we have and instead absorbs them into our culture. I prefer the US culture and values to those of Mexico, and it is a big part of what makes us a better place to be.

do not understand anything you said. on one hand mexico is changing the country to liberal but you want more here as long as the "assimilate" they will never do that they are colonizing. do not care to even learn English. what values does the failed narco state of mexico have for you?

 

[jmorris]

When will the sane people in CA get together and vote these crazies out of power?

There are lots of them that have already abandoned ship and fled to other States. When they get there in droves many then try and turn the place I to the one they ditched because it was messed up....

 

[9mmepiphany]

How did this thread get from a city suing magazine vendors to a discussion of immigration.

If we aren't able to stay on track better than that, I'd call this thread Done