S&W 627 PC accuracy and quality issues.. : (

[codefour]

I recently bought a S&W 627, 8-shot N-frame from their performance center. Gun looked gorgeous and the action felt great. I measured the cylinder gap at .003 with a feeler guage.

Here is the skinny of my gripes.. The gun shoots eight (8) inches to the left at fifteen yards.!! At fifty yards, I have to hold over two feet right to hit the center of a standard B27 silhouette target.

The revolver is going back to S&W this week. The barrel crown looks more jagged than the teeth of a great white shark. I can not believe S&W let a gun leave the factory like this.

Anyone else had similar problems with newer S&W weapons, perticularlythe 627?? All right, enough rambling. Thanks for any replies in advance.

 

[nofishbob]

Unfortunately, the PC S&W 500 that I got new last year had a handful of glaring quality problems that even a quick look by an interested quality control person would have caught.

I sent it to S&W before shooting it, and they fixed it perfectly in about 3 weeks door to door.

I cannot understand how it is cheaper for them to not inspect their product, and then have to pay for shipping and fix it anyway.

So much for the fantasy that the S&W PC is somehow higher quality.

Good luck!

Bob

 

[BYJO4]

There will always be guns that leave any manufactuerer with a problem that wasn't caught before shipping. S&W has a good reputation and I'm sure they will repair your revolver and return it quickly. It's unfortunate that you have a problem but you have a gun that is backed by a good warranty and good customer service.

 

[Olympus]

Got the same gun and I've never had any problems with mine. Best revolver in production at this time. I'm assuming you adjusted the rear sight to correct the windage issue? As a standard practice, I never assume a gun is already sighted in when I get it. Whether that be from the factory or from an individual.

I can hit a 12" metal plate with mine at 100 yards from a rest 7 out of 8 rounds usually.

 

[Dr_B]

I had a S&W 637 that had a crown problem. It would shoot up/right about 8 inches once I was more than about 6 feet from a target. Did it with all bullet types and weights I tried. Several experienced local shooters tried it, and it did the same with them. I was able to try a couple other 637's and they all shot straight.

 

[Mr.454]

My 627pc had a poorly cut crown, a hammer that had a chunk missing out of it from a grinder, and the barrel to cylinder gap was crap. I sent it back and it was fixed up.

 

[627PCFan]

Sorry to hear. Smith should make it right, I'm just sad they don't have a loaner program like when your car is in the shop

 

[ArchAngelCD]

I'm just sorry to hear a once great company seems to be doing everything in it's power to sink the ship.

 

[Japle]

They'll make it right. Every now and then one of the QC techs takes a nap and stuff like that gets signed off and shipped.

Last December, they shipped out a 686SSR with six chambers in the cylinder and seven flutes. It got a lot of attention on the gun forums. I'm the guy who bought it. S&W wasn't pleased with the publicity!

 

[TonyT]

Quality issues with any manufaturer are best resolved by contacting the manufacturer.

 

[CPO15]

Picked up a 627 PC snub yesterday and shot it today. Could not be more pleased; no flaws and shoots great.

 

[ultramag44]

Within the last 2 years I bought a .45 Colt Caliber Mountain Revolver and a fix-sight .44 Special. Both guns have the lock. Both guns are perfect.

I'm sure Smith will make it right for you.

 

[codefour]

Thanks for all the responses. It's on it's way back to S&W. I adjusted the sights all the way over on windbags and it was still shooting left. I hope they get it back soon.

 

[Olympus]

Thanks for all the responses. It's on it's way back to S&W. I adjusted the sights all the way over on windbags and it was still shooting left. I hope they get it back soon.

Not to insult your intelligence, but are you sure you adjusted the sights the correct way? Rear sight adjustment should be the same direction that you want to move your point of impact. If you're shooting to the left, you want your POI to move right so you move your rear sight right.

 

[Stainz]

My first 2 5/8" PC627 UDR (4/10) had to have the rear sight cranked all the way to one side to hit near POA at 12 yd as delivered. Then I looked at the front sight - in it's dovetail - it was clearly way off-center. I eye-balled it's centering and returned the rear sight to center - it took one click to make it coincident POI/POA at 12 yd - still on at 25 yd. I liked it so much I bought a 'spare' 10/10!

I've bought a few new S&Ws - many with the IL - and none have had enough of a problem worth returning them for service. I'll bet my experience is the norm rather than the exception. I'll wager they all come with the sights centered - not adjusted for accuracy - there are just too many variables. Good luck to the OP.


Stainz

 

[codefour]

"Not to insult your intelligence, but are you sure you adjusted the sights the correct way? Rear sight adjustment should be the same direction that you want to move your point of impact. If you're shooting to the left, you want your POI to move right so you move your rear sight right."

I understand that many get confused and I appreciate you input. Yes, it was shooting far left and I moved the rear sight all the way to the right. But it was still 4 or so inches off.

 

[rodinal220]

I don't have a 627PC but since the OP asked about S&W QC. I wasn't too happy about S&W going to MIM internals on their wheel guns. I love my vintage S&W revos and they never let me down in 30 years.

I bought the poly framed BG38 to try out some of this new fangled technology.The gun would mis-fire at least 20% of the time.At 7 yards it was hitting 4"+ high and 3" left,at 15 ards you could barely hit the paper.I have a square butt no dash model 36 that will chew the X-ring out at 15 yards.
I sent it back to S&W and several weeks later a tech called and said it was non-repairable and S&W was sending me a new revo.The new gun has been 100% reliable but a bit ammo sensitive,does not like heavy lead bullets,prefers the light 110/125 gr jacketed style.

My 638 airweigt(lock) has been 100% so far and I like the little gun.One beef,the rubber stocks are not cut for a speed loader,who designed these???

I know its not a revolver,but don't even get me started on my FS M&P 9mm range kit gun.Gun does not group it patterns and has a will of its own.Trigger is heavy at 7 lbs and had a very heavy stiff crunch at the end of its break,has since smoothed out some:still in need of a polish/tune.Front sight jumps as striker slams home,unlike any of my Glocks.
S&W said the gun was "in spec" and no repairs were needed.

 

[Remllez]

Codefour,

I'm sorry to hear about your Smith and Wesson, My question is. If the crown looked like a great white sharks mouth, why on earth did you accept/buy that gun?

It seems too many consumers are accepting obviously flawed guns then sending them back immediately! Then they complain about the poor quality after the fact. The only way to force a company to correct these obvious flaws is to STOP BUYING the companies guns.

 

[2zulu1]

I have a PC M327 TRR8 that has excellent accuracy out to 160 yards, that's as far out as I've tested it. I also bought the PC holster so I could carry it while working at my place.

One day the front sight fell off while holstering. Did the e-mail work repair form and also mentioned that the cylinder would not close with 38 Super moonclips. In a little over a week it was back, new sight and cylinder along with a dozen 357 moonclips.

This past spring I was doing intense training shooting full power magnum loads, switching between the TRR8 and a brand new M686+/4" that had a trigger job done at the PC. As I was letting the 686 cool off I noticed that the barrel shroud was loose and there was a gap between it and the frame. The barrel/shroud tension nut had backed off, as well as the side plate screws, plus the front sight has become very loose again.

The new 686 lasted about 300 rounds, until I was getting light primer strikes. After tightening the strain screw, the problem was not resolved. Also, there was a cylinder streak out of the box, but Davidson's had sold out of this model, so I accepted it. Keep in mind that the closest dealer at that time was over an hours drive.

I have a number of Smiths, but the two PC models I own have problems.

 

[EMS_92]

Nice to see this hasnt become a new S&W bashing thread.