S & W Crimson Trace Laser Grips

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I have a set on my S&W 411 S&W40.
They work great, I just ordered a set for my Kal-Tec P3AT 380.

I do not have any on a revolver, but I am sure they will work just as well.
 
Not to great outdoors on a bright day. The manufacturer recomends removal of the grips when cleaning the gun. (so I do on my S&W J frame)
 
mine is bright on the original battery. Mine consistently shoots high at 10yards, but its coming from an 1-7/8 barrel. I have never adjusted mine and honesly dont care to on this particular gun. Now If I had them for my 1911, I think I would adjust them a bit more.
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My 642 had a CT grip when I bought it. It works great. From 20 feet or so it will put a hole right where the laser is pointed. Makes it real easy to be accurate on difficult shots, like hip shots and other shots from non-traditional positions.

I am very glad I have one. Plus, with the 642, the CT grip is a little longer than the stock grip, so it's easier (for me) to grip it and aim it, even when the laser is off.

They are expensive, though. :(
 
I have them on three handguns, my S&W 637 (which I bought with them six years ago), 686+ and 9mm Browning Hi Power. I would not buy a handgun for which Crimson Trace did not make grips -- that's how sold I am. They are not that good for busting bowling pins at a hundred yards in the noonday sun, but for HD/SD (my only use for handguns now), they are superb.

Cordially, Jack
 
I think they're great. Although I can shoot well enough with regular sights.....my eyes are old enough that I lack some precision. I just can't see the sight picture as clearly as I would like.

With the laser I can get that precision even with the old eyes.

I don't take the grips off when cleaning the gun, I just put a piece of tape over the opening. Works for me.

Yes, you need a fairly gloomy day or dusk or dawn before you can see the dot well....but it's a great system in addition to your normal ways of shooting.
 
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Two S&W (642 & M&P 340) with the CT 405.

I would rather be with them than without them. They provide recoil reduction, more than adequate grip, allow for pocket carry, aid in point and shoot drills and hopefully come in handy if needed for real.

Change the battery once a year. Don't get cleaning fluids/solvents on the lens.
 
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so many choices...

I recently picked up a S&W model 638 (642 with shrouded hammer - J frame) and I want to get some CT's and have seen the 105's for around $165 on sale. I like the idea of keeping the gun a slim and small as possible, so I guess I don't want the one that extend the grip...I don't have anywhere to hold the 105,205,305 and 405 for comparison...for the price I like the 105, does anyone have an opinion or advice on the different models? I'm not having recoil trouble, so that really isn't an issue. Anyone had any trouble with the 105?

Thanks in advance...:D
 
ryan28801

I have had the 105's installed around 3 months on my SW 340 SC (J Frame) with no problems. At 25' was shooting about 4" above the laser point. Elevation adjustment was easy with the small allen wrench included with the laser grips.
 
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I've wondered about these. Is there a way to aim them so they coincide with the POI?
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You've got a couple of ways to sight them in for. The factory recommends adjusting to POI/POA at 50' or so. If you do that, they will range from hitting about an inch high at point blank range to right on at the 50' (in theory).

I have trouble getting good enough groups at 50' to adjust this way. So I adjust for a distance of around 10 yards. That's about as far as I can hope to get very small groups at. With this adjustment - it'll (in theory) be hitting an inch high at point blank, right on at 10 yards, and lower as you go down range. Since I wont be taking long range pot shots at bad guys much past 10 yards with my snubbie - I figure it's good enough.

Maybe when I get as good as some guys I hear of I'll sight them in the factory way.

(According to the CT people, they should be about sighted in from the factory at 50' when installed. I found that that varied somewhat. But, with any luck, you might have them right on right out of the box.
 
Three-CT j-frame comparison

For you new posters--

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=344469&highlight=CT

All three models are perfectly fine, save for the obvious issues. That is, the 105 grip is too small to activate reliably with larger hands, or the 305 is (usually) too long for pocket carry, or the 405 is too short for some hands, etc., etc.

The lasers in all three models are the same.

Jim H.
 
I own three pair

They make a 2" barreled firearm very dangerous at any yardage. I have been told by cops that the sight of a red dot makes bad guys go away immediately. I hope I never get the chance to use them in that situation. They are on All my carry and house guns. Great products.

340PD .357
640 .357
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I bet I'm the new poster you're referring to, eh jfh? I hope I'm not bringing up a overworked subject, but I was searching and just not finding the answers I wanted, I think I now have everything I need to make an informed decision and I appreciate everyone's input alot!

It's between the 405 and the 105...do I want to spend $75 on a master switch?..., It seems like it could be handy, however jfh, I'd be interested as to why you don't see the need for a master switch. As I have yet to handle any, I can only guess, perhaps it is the placement of the on button that makes a master switch unnecessary? I suppose if I want to practice without the laser I can always just swap the grips.

Thanks again everyone! I'll post a pic when I get it all figured out. ;-)
 
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Laser Sights are for people you can't shot or not willing to put the time practicing just another gadget. That was my opinion. Then reading input on different forums from a bunch of young bucks I ordered the DVD "Shots in the Dark" from CT. After watching the DVD I ordered my first for my M&P FS 357 sig. I now have a CT sight on all my CCW guns M&P 357 sig. FS & Compact, Keltec 380, and FP-9. For Christmas I got my wife a Smith 642 for CCW and it also has a CT sight.l She's wants to practice once a week for her CCW firing open sight and is doing great but once she turns on the CT shot placement even gets better. Just remember to place a bullet on target you can be in also any position and you don't need to get a sight. If I were carrying my 1911 or Hi-Power they would have a CT.

Turk
 
Tuck, on your first part, I used to think about the same thing. I have always shot my carry handguns with open sights.

It was not until lately that I decided on some CT's for my carry guns.
The reason I went with them was not to use them as my primary way of shooting, but during lower light or darkness.

I actually shoot my carry guns better with open sights, than I do with the CT. Actually I shoot more accurately, I should say. Don't get me wrong, I still can put all shots in the kill zone with the CT, but not as tight as my iron sights.

I think CT is a great addition to a carry gun.
 
I thought it was a gimmick.....until I picked up a buddies gun, and first time shooting it with the grips activated, I shot it from the hip, one handed, using the laser only.....and got a half-dollar sized group with all rounds (a 1911) at 15 yards :D I wouldn't have believed it....and it was hard to believe that I was the one who did it!

My 1911 isn't quite as accurate as the above, but while I practice shooting with the irons, when I use the laser, I'm even MORE accurate, it's crazy.

My coworkers who've messed with 'em have gradually started putting them on all their CCW pieces. I have some CT on my CCW 1911, and the only reason I don't have them for my new Smith and Wesson snubbie is because I don't have the money yet.

HTH.
 
Something else I like about the CT sights are they make a great training aid. My wife’s 642 has a really heavy trigger pull. Using snap caps she can aim at a small target across the room pull the trigger and see if the light stays on the target. My Kel Tec's have a heavy trigger and the CT really helps using it as a training aid. Go to the CT web site and order the DVD's I think they are still free and you decide. I believe in them so much when my niece’s husband is deployed to Afghanistan (he'll have a 9 mil) I'm going to buy him a CT.

Turk
 
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