S&W Hand Ejector and the 32-20 ammo drought

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Last month I found this S&W Hand Ejector (3rd change) in the display case at my indoor pistol range.

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The finish was nearly gone but on inspection the bore was very good, the timing was spot on and it locked up like a bank vault. Serial # puts it around 1910. The tag said $300 and I said sold! The original grips were worn nearly smooth, so I put on the Magna grips from my K-22 Masterpiece for the time being.

The revolver is chambered for 32-20, a cartridge I haven't handloaded to date. However I had been looking for a .32-20 revolver to test a theory of mine. In the last couple years I have been acquiring 7.5-8mm European military cartridge revolvers that can fire handloads made from shortened 7.62 Nagant gas seal brass loaded with Lapua target HBWC bullets. These bullets are quite soft and can expand to fit oversize 8mm bores, and the chambers of all of these revolvers have almost identical diameters:

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Traditionally, ammo for the 7.5 Swiss Ordnance Revolver was made from shortened .32-20 brass, so I was thinking that just maybe my sawed-off Nagant brass would work in a .32-20 revolver. The Swiss/Nagant/'Lebel' case is only the length to the .32-20's shoulder, but I figured the Lapua bullets were sufficiently malleable to negotiate the extra step in the chamber. Another possible difficulty was that the rim of the .32-20 was thicker than the Nagant's by about .005" -- would the firing pin have enough length for reliable detonation?

Well, I've put about 50 rounds of my compromise ammo through this revolver now. No failures to fire, occasional sticky extraction but no excess case swelling or splitting, and quite good accuracy.



Once Starline .32-20 brass becomes available again I will switch to bonafide handloads for this revolver, but as a stop-gap this kludge works surprisingly well.

As for this specific revolver's future, I'm waffling between leaving it as-is or having it Cerakoated. It has a certain 'rat rod' charm, but the sights are shiny and a gun this venerable (and non-collectible) deserves protection. We'll see.
 
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Nice pickup Dave.

I've got a circa 1908 5" and its fun to shoot, but doesn't do anything a .38 Spl. won't either. Im likely sitting on a lifetime supply of ammo for it, but probably wont try sourcing any more if I do run out.
I keep meaning to get it back to the range just for kicks, but something else always seems to nudge it out. When I do Ill set aside a couple cases for you if you want em. :)
 
Cool little gun there! :thumbup:

I came oh-so-close to buying a 6” version at the start of the pandemic. The same case that held the Colt .38 Spl. Officers Model that I bought had the .32-20 next to it for $500. But, with ammo nonexistent, and hand loading .32-20 more hassle than .32 Magnum that I already had, I offered a serious lowball amount of $300 after it sat a week or two. The consigner passed on my offer and it ultimately went to somebody else. :)

If you refinish it let us know how it looks when you are done. :thumbup:

Stay safe.
 
Cool little gun there! :thumbup:

I came oh-so-close to buying a 6” version at the start of the pandemic. The same case that held the Colt .38 Spl. Officers Model that I bought had the .32-20 next to it for $500. But, with ammo nonexistent, and hand loading .32-20 more hassle than .32 Magnum that I already had, I offered a serious lowball amount of $300 after it sat a week or two. The consigner passed on my offer and it ultimately went to somebody else. :)

If you refinish it let us know how it looks when you are done. :thumbup:

Stay safe.
My buddy practically gave me mine. He said it was more trouble to book it in than it was worth. Ive got more than twice as much in the ammo as I do the gun, lol.
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.32-20 is a good do it all round. Works well in light rifles and in handguns. My club allows it on the pistol range in a rifle. It's a great low recoil, low noise round. Here's my 1885 Whitney rolling block rifle relined / re-chambered in .32-20, a lot of fun but not terribly accurate.
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Nice looking rifle! I also just bought a 32-20 single shot rifle (more later.)

I have a feeling that the Martini Cadets converted (often badly I hear) in the 50's and 60's to 32-20 outnumber the other non-repeaters. This ad ran in Guns back in 1958:

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I have a half dozen .32-20 revolvers (see pic below, 4 5" Colts and 2 6" S&Ws) from a Phase I experienced a few years ago. During that time I also acquired an early '20s Marlin 27-S .32-20 pump-action rifle. :)

Thanks for the good info on the alternate loading possibilities.

I developed two lead bullet mild loads (100gr and 115gr) over Trailboss and two "stiffer" XTP loads (85gr & 100gr) over IMR-4227. I can/will shoot the lead bullet loads accurately in either revolvers or rifle. I restrict the higher pressure/velocity XTP loads to the rifle, also very accurately.

I tested my .32-20s with my sister who is sensitive to both LOUD & RECOIL. She was quickly comfortable when she realized that these were relatively quiet (evident despite the earpro) and there was very little recoil ... and she was hitting everything that she shot at.

If I am called upon to help initiate a new shooter in something beyond .22rf, I will reach for my .32-20s.

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Just my opinion ... but ... if you Cerakote such a fine, classic revolver :what: :eek: you may find yourself taken to task by Saint Peter.

Then, again, maybe not. :D
 
I have a half dozen .32-20 revolvers (see pic below, 4 5" Colts and 2 6" S&Ws) from a Phase I experienced a few years ago. During that time I also acquired an early '20s Marlin 27-S .32-20 pump-action rifle. :)

Nice collection!

Congrats especially on finding the Marlin -- any idea what the production numbers were like for the 27-S? Remington 25's in .32-20 aren't exactly common but I've seen a couple of those and none of the Marlins.

I've stuck with Trail Boss in my compromise cartridge for the sake of the black powder era European revolvers, but when I have some proper 32-20 brass I'll give 4227 a try -- thanks.

Just my opinion ... but ... if you Cerakote such a fine, classic revolver :what: :eek: you may find yourself taken to task by Saint Peter. Then, again, maybe not. :D

Fine and classic it may be, but I'm pretty sure it's not that kind of relic :)
 
Quick update: my LGS got their Cerakote service officially going this month. I dropped off my Hand Ejector on June 28 and got it back yesterday -- I think it now looks functional but nice. I had the finish applied on the exterior only. Also got a set of low-mileage Pachmayr's off eBay.

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Tark generously supplied me with some real .32-20 Starline brass, and I've already taken it to the range -- still works and shoots great.
 
A year or so ago I got a nice Nickel S&W Hand ejector 4th model 32-20 4" for cheap, less than $300 = $35 shipping on Gunbroker. Being it was made in the mid 1930s, around 32 to 34 , it has the "special " heat treating S&W did some where after 1926 . I load pretty hefty 4227 powder and 115 grain cast .314" wheel weight plus a little tin , semi wad cutter bullets for it, the same load as I use in my 1892 Winchester rifle, my Uberti 7.5 " Hartford model SAA , a Colt Army Special 6" , and a Marlin 27S . The Later K frame Hand Ejectors are plenty stout for 20K PSI loads which hit around 1050 FPS out of the 4" barrel , and 1450+ FPS out of my 26" Winchester Rifle. . 1200fps in the 7.5" Uberti. Accuracy is good and penetration phenomenal and it shoots flat !
 
I was shooting some Ultramax factory ammo and handloads using Trail Boss, both with 115 grain cast lead bullets. The TB loads were smoky but quite pleasant, while the factory stuff produced an impressive muzzle flash with every round. Accuracy was OK at 10 yards given my eyesight and the relative lack of target contrast. I really should buy some butcher paper and make simple black target dots on a white background.

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I think I'll next try some 98 grain HBWCs with Trail Boss for a comparison.

A 27S in 32-20 -- that sounds like winning the lottery!
 
Last month I found this S&W Hand Ejector (3rd change) in the display case at my indoor pistol range.

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Very nice collection! Just curiosity, those two Nagant one left bottom, are they Swedish? How do they compare in quality with Russian ones?

Years ago I was offered to purchase those two Swiss revolvers, Unfortunately, budget was tight, but I am still sorry for passing Model 1882. It was in mint condition!
My buddy practically gave me mine. He said it was more trouble to book it in than it was worth. Ive got more than twice as much in the ammo as I do the gun, lol.
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Very nice S&W. I was always fond of those early "Hand Ejector" S&W-s. Not the same revolver like yours, but fellow engineer has same style (except larger) S&W .455 Eley, with target (adjustable sights). I was hoping he will sell it, I had a brass and 454424 mold (still have them) but he didn't budge. I know, new S&W are nice, but those early ones, especially target models, have a "charm" that later revolvers just do not have.
 
I was shooting some Ultramax factory ammo and handloads using Trail Boss, both with 115 grain cast lead bullets. The TB loads were smoky but quite pleasant, while the factory stuff produced an impressive muzzle flash with every round. Accuracy was OK at 10 yards given my eyesight and the relative lack of target contrast. I really should buy some butcher paper and make simple black target dots on a white background.

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I think I'll next try some 98 grain HBWCs with Trail Boss for a comparison.

A 27S in 32-20 -- that sounds like winning the lottery!
I traded the 27 to Mach IV shooter for some of his wares. I am really into .25-20 vintage rifles currently. .The Winchester model 92 Rifle is only 32-20 rifle I have left, I had a few : Savage bolt model 23, Remington #2 rolling block and a BSA Cadet Martini.
 
I have an early 1920’s vintage S&W K-frame and a 1890’s vintage Winchester 1873, both chambered in 32-20. They are fun to shoot.

Fortunately, I acquired both 8-10 years ago and I laid in a good supply of Starline cases.

My 32-20 S&W revolver
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Very nice collection! Just curiosity, those two Nagant one left bottom, are they Swedish? How do they compare in quality with Russian ones?

Well spotted! Yes, they are both Nagants by Husqvarna.

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Finish quality is far better on the Swedes, as you would expect, and the DA trigger lacks the horrible staginess of the gas seal design. One thing in the Russian Nagants' favor is the interaction of a projection from the loading gate with the cylinder that prevents counterrotation -- the cylinder on the Swedish design lacks this and is free to rotate while the action is at rest.
 
Sweet revolver, love the way it looks with the blue gone.

Yeah. Since seeing the updated pic I have scrolled back & forth several times and, even as nice as it looks now, I would probably have left it alone.

Diff'rent strokes.

I remember a cousin finding an old, cheap, break action 16 or 20ga shotgun under the back of the sofa seat cushions in the old farmhouse. Most of the bluing/browning was long gone and the wood was in need of some TLC. No rust/corrosion.

I immediately thought that a cleaning & oiling of the metal bits plus a coupla Tung or Linseed treatments for the wood would be all that it would need. My cousin, otoh, prefers firearms to look new(ish).

So ... I rooted around in my gun cave cabinets, found an old quart of Belgian Blue for him to use and he was a happy camper. It did look GOOD with the Belgian Blue (he is a thorough & meticulous fellow with such things), just like Dave's newly-cerakoted pistol. :)
 
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