S&W M&P 9mm vs Glock 9mm

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Hello,

I am requesting some experienced input on the two guns before I decide which to buy. I like the full size M&P model with no external nor magazine safety. The S&W grip feels better to me. I will carry concealed as well.

How do they add up when compared?

Thanks all,
Be safe,
Tom
 
How about reliability and the durability to the legendary Glock?

Finish is less durable than Glock for sure. A coworker just mentioned how his meticulously cared for M&P 9 is showing a rusty spot near the muzzle. He only uses it at the range.
 
Both will do just fine.

I have shot glocks for 24 years, and carried them on duty as well. I shoot them well and have no issues with the grip. Many a gun felt real nice in the store and proved not to shoot as well as it felt.

My only big issue with the M&P is the issue many have, the trigger, and I had the APEX installed and it only slightly improved the trigger.

Since I was already used to the glock and it did all that I need it to do, I saw no reason to master the M&P trigger.

But if you are just starting out then shoot them both, almost all ranges have both guns.
 
Thank you Caseless that's the kind of feedback I was hoping to hear. It's suppose to be stainless...right?

Tom
 
Thanks legion. I carried a Glock in the early 90's with USBP but have not had a chance to shoot the M&P. The Niagara Falls area has very limited ranges and none of those in stock to shoot.
 
The M&P is every bit as reliable and durable as the Glock. They don't have a propensity to rust. Your friend's case is an aberration. Police forces around the world are ditching their Glocks and moving to the M&P platform. S&W out Glocked the Glock with the M&P. It is also worth mentioning that S&W has the BEST customer service in the industry. They stand behind their products!

Choose the gun that feels more comfortable to you, as they are both good guns.
Every gun CAN rust. There are numerous posts on Glocks rusting.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=618046
 
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Police forces around the world are ditching their Glocks and moving to the M&P platform. S&W out Glocked the Glock with the M&P.

Mr. Blue
Ditching is pretty harsh word don't you think? Glock has already proven itself time and time again. It really comes down to a numbers game, who's going to give me a better unit price and freebees.
 
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Police forces around the world are ditching their Glocks and moving to the M&P platform. S&W out Glocked the Glock with the M&P.
Mr. Blue
Ditching is pretty harsh word don't you think? Glock has already proven itself time and time again. It really comes down to a numbers game, who's going to give me a better unit price and freebees.

Since we don't know the prices given to LE agencies, we can only speculate. My guess is Glock is just as aggressive as S&W in pricing, if not more so.

Either way, it costs more to switch platforms than to keep the status quo. If there is no perceived increase in quality, most agencies would stand pat. M&Ps are taking the LE market by storm. I doubt this would be the case if they were rusty pieces of crap with bad triggers.
 
Finish is less durable than Glock for sure. A coworker just mentioned how his meticulously cared for M&P 9 is showing a rusty spot near the muzzle. He only uses it at the range.

Highly subjective. My M&P has been carried daily for several years now and has had over 8000 rounds down the pipe. I have never found a single spot of rust on it ever. M&Ps are pretty corrosion resistant. There was a faulty run released a few years ago that were improperly finished and rusting problems. This is NOT the case in other M&Ps. A few minutes online will produce some pics of Glocks with rust too. Take care of your weapon and you won't have a problem.

Overall in the M&P vs Glock debate the two are way too similar to say one is substantially better than the other in my opinion. Which ever fits you better is the one for you, I don't think you could go wrong with either. I prefer the M&Ps for me. The fullsized M&P 9mm my wife has is the most ridiculously easy to shoot pistol I've ever fired. It feels like you just can't miss. For me, I've had much more effort shooting Glocks well. Someone else might have the exact opposite experience. My carry gun is my M&P 9C. There is NO pistol I shoot better.
 
Between the two, I prefer the M&P simply due to the ergonomics.
I think both are on par in terms of reliability, though I understand many have issue with the M&P's trigger. Personally, I haven't had any issue with my M&P40c's trigger and shoot it just fine.

I've read there was a large batch of M&P's with an improper melonite (similar to tennifer) treatment that made the finish prone to rusting. This doesn't mean M&Ps in general have this issue. I sweat on mine daily and oil it down every now and then. There's not the slightest hint of rust.
 
Ive carried my MP9c IWB most every day for about 3 yrs now. I live in a very hot part of AZ.

I have zero rust and I take no special care to prevent rust.


Having siad that.... some peoples sweat is super rust-ful. There is a pic of a Glock Gen 4 on this forum that has a fair amount of rust already.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=618046
 
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I have both the Glock G17 and the S&W MP9. My experience is more extensive with the G17 than the MP9. To praise one in essence diminishes the other. Both are excellent service grade pistols. Modifications made to the G17 replaced the OEM sights with Warren sights and supplemented the OEM barrel with a KKM barrel. The MP9 replaced the OEM sights with a Novak front night sight and the rear sight with a 10-8 plain U-notch. Either pistol is a good choice.
 
I have the G19, 3rd Gen and a S&W M&P in 9mm. I like them both but to me - the S&W is the winner. I just wish the S&W trigger was better and it would be the clear winner.

The Smith has more options - mine doesn't have the magazine disconnect and it does have an ambi frame mounted safety, which I wanted. You can have one with mag disconnect, no safety or just like the Glock: neither. It offers you a choice.

Very comfortable to shoot. Accurate.
 
Which fits better in your hands and which aims more naturally? If I was faced with this decision and also based on the research I've done these would be the deciding factors for me. I bought a M&P.
 
Ive shot both and think both are great reliable guns that will last you a lifetime.Buy the one that fits you better.Had a similiar debate a year ago when i decided to buy a 9mm.I ended up getting a G17.Its never failed once.
Good luck with your choice.BTW..the Springfield XD 9 is also worth mentioning as an alternative even thou you didnt mention it.Ive heard great things about the XD's.
 
I like my M&P9. I did install an Apex trigger kit in it and it greatly improved the trigger.

Glocks do not feel right in my hand but I do not have any first hand shooting experience with them. Glocks have an excellent reputation so I am sure either would be a good choice.
 
M&P9c grip frame fits my hands = I purchased the pistol. Glock felt bulky. Easy decition. If I had larger meat paws, would I have gone the other way?
 
I own 2 semi-auto pistols: a Glock 20 (Gen III) and an M&P 9 (with Apex sear installed.) I consider both pistols equal in quality, durability, and reliability, but I greatly prefer the fit of the M&P in my large hand. The M&P feels like it was designed to fit a human hand, whereas the Glock feels like it was designed by someone who has never seen a human hand. In fact, if S&W were to make an M&P in 10 mm, I wouldn't own a Glock.

Although I prefer the fit and feel of the M&P, there are several advantages to the Glock which make it worth considering:

1) There are far more aftermarket parts and accessories available for the Glock. There are several major sight, barrel, and holster makers who still haven't started making (as many) products for the M&P.

2) My Glock 20 in 10 mm is noticeably more accurate for deliberate aimed firing at distances of 25 yards and greater. My M&P also has good accuracy, but not quite as good as the G20. This may just be a matter of the individual guns I own, or it may be that the 10 mm is a little more accurate cartridge than the 9mm. In my G20, I usually shoot carefully assembled hand loads, but I usually shoot low cost fmj practice ammo in my M&P9. That could also make a difference. Generally speaking, I have no reason to believe that either a Glock or an M&P can be expected to have an advantage in accuracy.

3. The Glock Model 19 is a very handy and versatile size. S&W does not make a model in a comparable size. The G19 does not fit my large hand well, but if it fits your hand, that could be a good reason to get a Glock.

4. The stock Glock trigger works better for me, even after I installed the Apex sear in my M&P.

5. A quick glance at the trigger of my Glock tells me whether or not it is cocked. If the Glock trigger is in the forward position, then the action is cocked and ready to fire (but it doesn't tell me whether or not there is a round in the chamber.) If the trigger is in the rear position, then I know the pistol is not ready to fire. This is a convenience for me. With the Glock you can confirm that there is a round in the chamber by looking at or by touching the extractor. With the M&P, you can look through a hole in the top of the barrel to see if there is a round in the chamber, but there is no way to confirm the round in the chamber by touch.

Overall, this is a minor concern because I always pull the slide back and check the chamber every time I pick up any pistol (or any other firearm.)

To me the choice between the two comes down to which you find the most annoying: the poor trigger feel on the M&P or the inexcusably poor design of the grip on the Glock.

Try them both for fit, but be sure to shoot them both one handed. I have known several shooters who can shoot a Glock pretty well when using both hands (I, for one), but who can't shoot it nearly as well one handed because they can't get a good, consistent, one-handed grip on the Glock. Although you will usually want to use both hands when shooting, you must be able to shoot a self defense pistol one handed.
 
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The S&W grip feels better to me. I will carry concealed as well.

They feel better to me too. That really helps when it comes to how well you shoot the gun. I have an M&P9 and a Glock 17. For a while I struggled which one would be my main go to gun. I chose the one I simply like to shoot more, which is coincidentally the one I shoot better, which is the M&P9. It's simple, if you like to shoot the M&P more get that.

Things I like about the M&P9 more:

Less percieved recoil
Steel sights, three dot, better shape
More user friendly mag and slide release
Magagines drop free even better as well as dissemble easier
American made
Steel recoil rod
Awesome customer support
A more handsome gun IMO

They are both very accurate and reliable. Get the one that you enjoy/shoot the best.
 
S&W had a couple of bad runs of black nitride (aka Melonite), but S&W fixed the bad ones, and AFAIK that's been remedied. Melonite is the same thing as Tennifer, but it's harder to do the process correctly on stainless steel than carbon steel. They're both great pistols, and either will admirably for anything you'd want to use a service pistol for. Get the one that feels best in YOUR hand.
I carried a Glock in the early 90's with USBP but have not had a chance to shoot the M&P.
I have a good friend who's with the State Dept. DSS. He owns Glocks (he's even a Glock armorer), but chose the M&P9c to qualify with for his agency approved backup (DSS doesn't issue backups to their SIGs). Hopefully that helps with confidence if you get an M&P. If you get a Glock, it sounds like you're already confident with them.
 
Thanks to all for the candid reviews I really appreciate it. I'm retired now from USBP so now I can choose what feels the best for me and the S&W fits the bill. Other than the fit of the Glock for me it is a mighty fine pistol!! I am proud that I served in an Agency that had a solid firearms program, four qualifications a year and as much remedial for the ones's that needed it. Time to get buying and move on to another part of my life.

God Bless all and be safe. It's better to have and not need then need and not have.

Tom

PS: I still miss the .357 revolver era though.
 
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There are only two things that really separate them for me. One is the polygonal barrel of the Glock. I reload and lead bullets are cheaper so having a standard barrel saves me money in the long run. It is, however, not really expensive to change the Glocks barrel and the difference in bullets isn't that terrible much. The second thing is the magazine release. I can't reach it with my short thumbs and the fat trigger guard of the Glock keeps me from using my middle finger. I use my middle finger to drop the mag on the M&Ps and it works just fine for me. Even this issue is largely moot on the Gen 4 Glock as the new magazine release on the Gen 4 is much easier to use than the old one. I can actually reach it with my thumb.

Those are the only two real things that separate them for me. It boils down to preference. I like and shoot the M&Ps much better.
 
The M&P feels better to me, however I find that I shoot the glock better (g19 vs m&p9). Both guns run 100% for me. I ended up horse trading off both, but the glock 19 is the one I wish I still had. If I bought another M&P it would be the Pro version with a better factory trigger.
 
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