S&W M37(No dash#)in "Mint" condition: Questions?

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S&W Model 37(No dash #)in "Mint" new, condition(Perfect!)and looks to be unfired(Zero cylinder ring!)with "Round butt", and diamond grips! Questions are as follows:

1)Did the model 37, only come with a "Round butt" or, was this more of a limited production model?

2)This M37, has the flat cylinder latch and the serial number dates it to 1957.

3)Would an M37 like this one(In "Mint" condition!)be mostly for CCW usage or, would it be more highly regarded as a "Collectible" revolver?

4)Would this M37(No dash #)have just a normal(Non-collectible)gun value(Or, would it have a fairly high, collectible gun value?

5)Were these M37's fairly reliable(And, long lasting?)if only standard .38 Special was used(No +P's!)?

6)If there is anything that is interesting(Or, unusual?)about these M37's-please report it here? Thanks!
 
Is this one yours, slick6?

You don't specifically say. If so, congratulations. If not, I'd suggest you make it yours, given the opportunity and a decent price.

You state it it 1957 production. Am I correct in assuming you have consulted a copy of Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson? If not, a couple of points of interest - -
The S/N range for '57 was 117770 -- 125000
This was the first year that the model number was stamped on the J frames (and, I believe, on any S&Ws.)

All had the flat latch - - three different versions were used - - up til '66.

Diamond insert stocks were installed until 1968.

The 37-1 was introduced in 1988.

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S&W Model 37(No dash #)in "Mint" new, condition(Perfect!)and looks to be unfired(Zero cylinder ring!)with "Round butt", and diamond grips! Questions are as follows:

1)Did the model 37, only come with a "Round butt" or, was this more of a limited production model?
Both round and square butt configurations were standard. In my observation, the RB is far more numerous, and is by far more practical for concealed carry. The SB was offered for those who felt it was easier to shoot well.

3)Would an M37 like this one(In "Mint" condition!)be mostly for CCW usage or, would it be more highly regarded as a "Collectible" revolver?

4)Would this M37(No dash #)have just a normal(Non-collectible)gun value(Or, would it have a fairly high, collectible gun value?


I, personally, feel that any S&W revolver, pushing a half-century in age, in excellent-to-fine, factory original configuration, has some significant collectors' value. The stocks and flat latch certainly comport with the stated 1957 date.

It is certainly a primo concealed carry piece - - light, compact, fairly powerful. Myownself, I'd preserve this one in such pristine condition, and acquire a somewhat later one, perhaps with some surface wear, for daily carry.

5)Were these M37's fairly reliable(And, long lasting?)if only standard .38 Special was used(No +P's!)?

Not only fairly reliable, sir. I'd say extremely reliable. There is some question as to how well the alloy pieces hold up to extensive shooting, and with what kind of ammo, but any S&W of that era is considered dead solid, trust your life to it, utterly, reliable.

6)If there is anything that is interesting(Or, unusual?)about these M37's-please report it here?

All you describe indicates this particular item is "correct" and very nice. I don't note any rare characteristics in your description. At that age, and if unfired, I'd say it is worth around $100 more than one made, say, in the mid-1980s. The no cylinder drag mark COULD indicate very careful handling. Perhaps a more reliable indicator of unfired condition would be a close examination of the standing breech. Alloy frames, partcularly, show early evidence of cartridge head abrasion of the finish, when the piece has been fired. The loaded cartridges, tending to remain at rest, "back up" onto the breech when the light weight pistol is fired, and leave marks. I have this after firing as little as ten rounds in a new revolver.

On a personal note - - I bought my first Airweight Chief's brand new in about 1976. I carried it almost daily as an on duty backup and frequent off duty main battery for over 20 years. The majority of this carry was in an ankle holster, and I shot it a LOT with +P level handloads. After two rebuilds to remove cylinder play, I quit shooting anything above factory 158 RN or equivalent handloads. I still carried R-P 158 LSWCHP+P ammo for defense, though.

A few years back, I picked up an excellent 1983 production M37 in a local pawn shop - - I believed it to be unfired. It appeared, though, that someone had replaced the wooden stocks with aftermarkets, and promptly dropped it in such a way that about half the hammer spur broke away. I put it up with a view to obtaining a new hammer and proper stocks. When I researched the age, though, I decided I wouldn't realize enough profit at sale to make this worthwhile. Besides, Elder Son, a street cop, had taken a liking to my old, doggy looking, M37. I gave it to him, and put the '83 edition in service.
Late Edit - - I disassembled it first, and ground off the remnants of the hammer spur. It has never failed to pop any primer, factory or handload. I fired it with the +Ps to check point of impact but practice with lighter loads. Since I retired recently, I probably pack it three days a week, alternating it with a Colt Agent and a .45.

Best,
Johnny
 
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I misread the serial number as it is #2772xx(With no prefix)? I'm just guessing that this might be 1962-63? It is mint, though! Is it worth $400-$450-or, not?

I did open the cylinder to inspect the breach face and there are no marks whatsoever, from firing this gun!
 
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I misread the serial number as it is #2772xx? I'm just guessing that this might be 1962-63? It is mint, though! Is it worth $400-$450-or, not?

I did open the cylinder to inspect the standing breech face and there are no marks whatsoever, from firing this gun!

What would be your opinions now? I don't own this gun yet!
 
Maybe 1961 as 295000 was 1962. The book doesn't get more specific. Would I pay $400? No, probably not as I like N frames but I did pick up a mint flat latch 36 with the box for $300 last year. Go figure. Maybe you can dicker a little bit and get it for $400 out the door.
 
In light of the S/N information- - -

It is still possible to make certain deductions.

The SCS&W, Second Edition shows that 1957 production included numbers 117770 through 125000. The data then jumps to show that number 295000 was produced in 1962.

Number 2722XX falls toward the high end of the gap period, yes, but we know they began stamping model numbers in 1958. S&W frequently would make a run of a particular model guns and then shut down that one for a time, while they made something else. I don't have personal knowledge, but it seems they would have made cylinders, at least, for all the J frame .38s onthe same machinery.

All right, then. Given the above, I'd suggest this particular piece was produced between 1956 and early 1958.

So, okay, it was made perhaps three to five years later than you first thought. In such beautiful condition it still warrants a premium price. Not as much as if it had the original box and papers, no, but still . . . .

Again, as a pure personal defense weapon, this item is not worth a penny more than one made 30 years later. In fact, perhaps a 1997 production 37-3, rated for +P ammo, might be an even better defense handgun.

What would be your opinions now? I don't own this gun yet! I might very well give $400 for it if I was a collector (I'm not - - I have a couple of collectable pieces, but most of my guns are for shooting and/or carry) Or, if I had friends or clients who collected S&Ws, I might very well pay that with the idea of making 50 or a hundred bucks on it.

Now, if I could pick it up for, say, $250, I probably couldn't resist, and I'd have another safe queen - an excellent example of the type, but just too valuable to shoot and enjoy. I just this week sold a pre-Model 27, 1955 production, fired but 98 or 99% perfect, because I just couldn't bring myself to defile this beautiful bit o' firearms history by carrying it afield. Same with two long discontinued, new-in-the box .38 revolvers. That pair went to a dealer friend who has a clientele who will give good money for such items.

It all depends on how you view your guns. You pay your money and take your choice, huh?

Best wishes - -
Johnny
 
Thanks, Molon! And, I sure would have liked to have been able to have obtained that pre-model 27, from you? However, that would have only been a "Dream" here in CA(The PRK!)! I'm just trying to collect a few good S&W's and Colt's-as I can find them(And, can afford them?)? But, the pickings, are pretty slim here! I just have to search continuously, until I can stumble onto something(Hopefully, in NIB, condition?)or at least, only lightly fired? California, is a terrible State for gun owners(And, gun collector's!)! There are too few guns, too much competition for them, and this only kicks the prices through the roof! I did recently find a LNIB(In a Presentation case!)S&W M27-2(And, it is nice!)but, a pre-27(In the same condition!)would have pleased me even more! :rolleyes:

Although the model 37, is really mint, I might just pass on it, in view of my preference for "K" and "N" frames! However, any gun that is "Mint" will always catch my eye! :what: :D
 
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