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Safe VS RSC -Rant-
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Heh, heh, heh!
Wow!!
I came to work this nice bright Saturday morning to get some of my hand tools because in the next few hours i will be changing out my now leaking hot water heater and decided to get on the computer and check out this site and perhaps a couple of others and came across this little chat.
Fwiw while looking in Lowes this morning and their high price hot water heaters i just so happened to see of all things a Liberty Centurion gun "safe" for sell there.
Looking it over i gotta say that's a weak excuse for a safe.
I mean it oozed in sub par cheapness.
How easy could you get into it if it was bolted down??
I really can't say but i certainly would not have a lot of faith with my expensive hunting rifles and optics living in it.
But then again if you owned maybe a deer rifle like a Stevens 200 and perhaps a Maverick pump shotgun it would be suitable.
It would certainly keep your child out which for some is the exact purpose for purchasing it.
But anyway back at the deal on safes and RSC's.
The other day i was googling some sites and came across an argument why a certain guy will not buy an RSC and he actually referenced this very site and a1abdj's posts.
What got me about the guy's argument was that he seemed totally fixated on the five minute time span that it supposedly takes to enter an rsc.
From my understanding of UL's test is that the Safe held out at LEAST five minutes with certain hand tools of a a certain length and weight of hammer.
So being that no two RSC's are built alike it could take five minutes or much longer.
Point in case.
Lets say you had your low end Cannon 12 gauge RSC bolted down and at the same time you had a Amsec SE 6831 which is probably the most robust RSC in the world.
Perhaps you could enter the cannon in five minutes with a crowbar.
Maybe and maybe not.
But i would positively love to see you you get into that particular Amsec with a hammer or crow bar in under thirty minutes.:banghead:
So sometimes i really think some people strain gnats with this issue.
Truthfully just how many of you have truely ever tried to brute force your way into a RSC?????
I know several weeks back i tried using my three foot wood chopping axe on a 12 gauge trash dumpster that was ruined during hurricane Ike and after eight really hard swings i was finally able to put a very small gash in it.
It may not be as easy as some think it is.
Doable but it still takes work.
Any way that's my spill on this conversation.
I came to work this nice bright Saturday morning to get some of my hand tools because in the next few hours i will be changing out my now leaking hot water heater and decided to get on the computer and check out this site and perhaps a couple of others and came across this little chat.
Fwiw while looking in Lowes this morning and their high price hot water heaters i just so happened to see of all things a Liberty Centurion gun "safe" for sell there.
Looking it over i gotta say that's a weak excuse for a safe.
I mean it oozed in sub par cheapness.
How easy could you get into it if it was bolted down??
I really can't say but i certainly would not have a lot of faith with my expensive hunting rifles and optics living in it.
But then again if you owned maybe a deer rifle like a Stevens 200 and perhaps a Maverick pump shotgun it would be suitable.
It would certainly keep your child out which for some is the exact purpose for purchasing it.
But anyway back at the deal on safes and RSC's.
The other day i was googling some sites and came across an argument why a certain guy will not buy an RSC and he actually referenced this very site and a1abdj's posts.
What got me about the guy's argument was that he seemed totally fixated on the five minute time span that it supposedly takes to enter an rsc.
From my understanding of UL's test is that the Safe held out at LEAST five minutes with certain hand tools of a a certain length and weight of hammer.
So being that no two RSC's are built alike it could take five minutes or much longer.
Point in case.
Lets say you had your low end Cannon 12 gauge RSC bolted down and at the same time you had a Amsec SE 6831 which is probably the most robust RSC in the world.
Perhaps you could enter the cannon in five minutes with a crowbar.
Maybe and maybe not.
But i would positively love to see you you get into that particular Amsec with a hammer or crow bar in under thirty minutes.:banghead:
So sometimes i really think some people strain gnats with this issue.
Truthfully just how many of you have truely ever tried to brute force your way into a RSC?????
I know several weeks back i tried using my three foot wood chopping axe on a 12 gauge trash dumpster that was ruined during hurricane Ike and after eight really hard swings i was finally able to put a very small gash in it.
It may not be as easy as some think it is.
Doable but it still takes work.
Any way that's my spill on this conversation.
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The RSC rating is only for attack by one person, with no hand tool lever length to exceed 18 inches. Sooooo, if a 4 foot pinch bar, or a full sized axe or sledge is used, or both by two burglars, you get what's shown in the video "Security On Sale" viewable on Youtube.
Also, RSC is a minimum rating. Therefore a manufacturer, such as AMSEC, can build a unit that's not a U.L. rated safe but completely exceeds the minimum requirements to meet RSC.
However, in doing so, AMSEC made the thing so expensive to produce that I could easily beat the price of the SE6831 when quoting a Graffunder, which is a true safe. I handle both the AMSEC and Graffunder lines, makes no difference to me which one somebody wants to buy, but I will tell them the relative merits vs cost of both. And for what it's worth, my personal safe is a Graffunder.
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The RSC rating is only for attack by one person, with no hand tool lever length to exceed 18 inches. Sooooo, if a 4 foot pinch bar, or a full sized axe or sledge is used, or both by two burglars, you get what's shown in the video "Security On Sale" viewable on Youtube.
Also, RSC is a minimum rating. Therefore a manufacturer, such as AMSEC, can build a unit that's not a U.L. rated safe but completely exceeds the minimum requirements to meet RSC.
However, in doing so, AMSEC made the thing so expensive to produce that I could easily beat the price of the SE6831 when quoting a Graffunder, which is a true safe. I handle both the AMSEC and Graffunder lines, makes no difference to me which one somebody wants to buy, but I will tell them the relative merits vs cost of both. And for what it's worth, my personal safe is a Graffunder.
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