Safety Check...safety check...safety check!

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I was involved with a three for one gun trade today. Nice guy....seemed knowledgeable... All three guns presented to me in closed boxes with no mags in. Two of the three had a round in the chamber when I pulled the slide open as I always do when presented a closed-action firearm. Sent a little tingle down my spine even though I did what should be done. It was a real-world reminder to me that safety is paramount.
 
I have a B.I.L. that likes to fill a magazine and fire a few rounds then set the gun down and move on to another and do the same thing. When I actually noticed it he was standing in front of the line with half a dozen loaded (by him) guns pointed at his guts. After I nearly passed out I politely asked him to move behind the bench. Now I check every gun he handles after he puts it down. All gun owners need to be mindful of safety cause there is always at least 1 that isn't. I'm not surprised others find guns with loaded chambers with people like my B.I.L. around. If I wouldn't have seen what he was doing, he probably would have thought nothing about casing those guns and throwing them in his trunk. By the time he shot them again he would have forgotten that he left them loaded and God knows what could happen.
Yes, I carry EVERY day with a round chambered, but I'm very aware that I'm carrying a loaded weapon.
 
Gotta be safe. Check and recheck. You might not be the only one handling a firearm. You can't assume a firearm being handed to you is safe(d). It's peculiar people who work in an industrial environment, will routinely use a lock-out-tag-out system, and be really thorough about it, will do something like sweep an entire room of people with the muzzle of a gun...
 
I have a BIL I will no longer shoot with because he swept me with a pistol, TWICE, and the second time (after a calm reminder to watch him muzzle the first time) his poor excuse was , "I took the clip (sic) out." I had him open the action, and surprise, surprise, a round fell out. I told him he'd be finding out how big a .45's muzzle looks close up if he did it again, but I didn't stick around long enough to have to do that.
 
Went to the range with a buddy and one of his relatives last summer and it was the same thing as @ontarget said. They would fire a few shots and either hand the gun off to the next person or lay it down. Oh, hey you want to shoot this. Nah, finish the mag off and then ill try it! I don't like passing loaded guns back and forth.
 
Thanks for all the safety reminders..... It's something that needs to be repeated on a regular basis. We all can get careless and forgetful. Or distracted like I was once when I was packing up to leave the range and while talking with a guy I wound up placing a 10/22 back into a case with a round in the chamber and the safety off, ( I had "assumed" the gun was empty and was too busy talking to check it)....... Bottom line:.....Check, always check.... And don't get sidetracked.
 
Good reminder for all of us guy.

As a volunteer RSO at several ranges, I tell folks (especially when they have committed a minor/major safety infraction) that
most of the inherent danger of firearms stems from the fact that humans operate them.
I speak to these folks, not at them. Berating or belittling a person after the fact, IMHO, does not solve the problem
or re-enforce the lesson you are trying to present.

I'll finish by mentioning to the shooter that all of us have violated one or more of the major commandments of firearms at some time,
and that anyone who denies this either is not telling the truth or has not been around firearms long enough to have done it.

Seems like one hears the same thing when mentioning a violation though, either to friends or strangers on the line...."But I".....

In closing, I'll admit to not correcting friends as much as strangers when out shooting. You just sort of let it go, or mention it in passing.
I have pledged to myself to do a better job, as I hate to think of them being involved in a firearms accident,
even if it does involve me.

JT
 
Some of the stories I hear on threads like this don't even surprise me any more. I did a career in the army in units with very high standards- incompetence and being unsafe was an express ticket OUT, and back to the "big army". After, I worked for a while in a gun shop as a "break" for a while. Moronic incidents were normal, like scenarios described here (people bringing in loaded guns for repair, sale, etc.). When I left the shop to contract overseas for a few years, idiocy seemed to rule the day among the non-military types (and unfortunately, ex-military types sometimes) who carried weapons but weren't accustomed to doing so, or just poorly trained (AD's and other safety violations. lost accountability of weapons and other sensitive gear, etc.). After moving to Fl last summer, I joined a small local range, which turned out to be more like the island of misfit toys, except the toys were armed. Not to mention a staff of RO's that had only a rudimentary understanding of their job. Most of the time when I was there, they were only paying attention to ME and my gear (and asking pointed questions about some of it, asking about tax stamps, etc.) instead of paying attention to the idiot element doing idiot things behind them. They were more concerned with the "cool stuff" that was being used safely than the regular stuff being operated by a squad of monkeys. Soon after, I applied for membership, and was vetted and accepted to an exclusive state-of-the-art facility that rivals most military complexes with capabilities and quality of layout. In fact, many Special Operations and federal LE train there. They also have a zero tolerance policy for safety violations.
 
A few months ago, my 9 year old daughter came into the basement as I was cleaning a gun. I offered to show it to her and let her handle it. Her immediate question: "Is it loaded?" She made me open the bolt and show her the empty chamber before she would touch it! Warmed my heart.
 
I traded a gun last summer for a S&W 442. We met at a gas station, guy opens up his van and shows me the case and tells me the gun’s inside. As soon as I open the case I notice the gun is loaded with defense ammo, and as I’m emptying it (probably with an annoyed look on my face) he mentions that he included those 5 rounds with the gun “just so I'd have something to shoot out of it". Thanks, but I reload .38sp so I'm already covered.

I don’t know if people do this because they’re stupid, they’re trusting, or they just don’t know any better. I won’t even hand a loaded gun to trusted friends when I’m at the range with them, let alone someone I’ve never met and I have no idea if they’re going to pull a trigger without checking.
 
There seems to be a real divide in the gun community about whether it is OK to leave guns out of your control loaded. I was taught that you don't do that. Some people think all guns need to be ready for immediate action, and therefore should be kept loaded, regardless of the level of control (or lack thereof) over the firearm. This is not my view, but many gun people do think that.
 
A few months ago, my 9 year old daughter came into the basement as I was cleaning a gun. I offered to show it to her and let her handle it. Her immediate question: "Is it loaded?" She made me open the bolt and show her the empty chamber before she would touch it! Warmed my heart.

My daughter, also 9 years old, did the EXACT same thing during Christmas break while I was cleaning guns in the basement. Then she asked if I'd show her how to clean the Buckmark and .22 rifle of mine that she always shoots.

We must be doing something right!
 
FL-NC wrote:
I joined a small local range, which turned out to be more like the island of misfit toys, except the toys were armed.

A situation like that keeps you on your toes.

Seriously, I spent the last part of my childhood in South Florida which - for the time - was comparatively awash in guns, yet there was never any mention I recall of safety classes, gun handling rules, or anything of the kind.

When I landed in rural Arkansas, I had to take a hunter safety class to get a hunting license. The hunter safety class went over the rules of safe gun handling (it was really a pretty good class), but if I had not taken it, I would never have encountered any formal training in gun safety or the rules of safe gun handling. I suspect a lot of the people out there with guns are likewise lacking in such training and are having to rely on what degree of common sense they might have.
 
Many years ago when I was 23 or so, I took an introductory shooting class and they let me lose in their small range with a .38 after about an hour of instruction. Of course I swept the old guy next to me and he yelled at me. I was mortified and didn't do it again. Anyway, I saw him in the lounge area and he came over and talked to me about gun safety and wasn't a dick about it. I apologized and we talked a bit, he was a retired cop and he recommended a good book about firearm handling to read. I took his advice and ordered it from my local bookstore.

Anyway that ol guy set me straight. I've had many years of safe shooting since.
 
There seems to be a real divide in the gun community about whether it is OK to leave guns out of your control loaded. I was taught that you don't do that. Some people think all guns need to be ready for immediate action, and therefore should be kept loaded, regardless of the level of control (or lack thereof) over the firearm. This is not my view, but many gun people do think that.
I leave my go to defense pistol with a full mag while at home close by in a small safe and all i have to do is rack one. Now if its on me there is one in the chamber but no reason to have one chambered when sitting in a case or safe. I leave the mag in it incase there is an OS situation then i'm not ruffling around for a mag its already there and just a quick rack and in business.

I do know people who leave a shotgun loaded with one in the chamber as well as handguns and think because they are put up or hidden its okay. NOT COOL!

My buddy has a bad habit of leaving his cocked and locked 1911 in an IWB holster shoved between the seats and his kids are always crawling in and out of his truck and i'm always afraid the kid will grab it. He also leaves it cocked n locked on top of the fridge or shelf in the kitchen. I was there one day and seen a 12ga defense shotgun laying on a shelf and grabbed it to look at it (he's my best friend so doesn't care) First think i did was shoved my finger in the tube and felt a shell and slowly opened the chamber and said common man!!! SMH. I knew it was loaded because ive known him for 15yrs but someone else could have gotten hurt.
 
As I understand it, most shotguns are not drop safe and should never be stored with one in the chamber. Can someone more knowledgeable than me can confirm that?
 
I did a career in the army in units with very high standards- incompetence and being unsafe was an express ticket OUT, and back to the "big army".

Your post made me chuckle. I saw a few long tabbers working at units down the road...wearing black berets. I was a support MOS, but the threat was real for everyone. More than a few dopes got demoted to the 101 for failure to meet what I considered a pretty fun set of big boy rules.
 
Anyway...nothing suprises me anymore. I just assume I’m dealing with dangerous people.

Don’t let them flag you. Check every gun handed over - “Safe. Source. Feed.”
 
I've picked up guns twice at gun shows that were loaded.

A friend who used to own a local gun shop had the following happen about 15 years ago. Kevin was in the habit of always handing a customer the gun with the action open. Always, no exceptions. Most of the customers were regulars, but he had someone unknown come in one day and ask to look at a 9mm pistol. While the customer was looking he was distracted by a phone call. While on the phone a 2nd regular customer came in at which point the 1st customer handed the gun back and left. Kevin placed it back in the counter. Later in the day another customer asked to see the same pistol. When Kevin opened the action a round fell out on the counter. It was embarrassing, but anyone who knows Kevin knows he didn't leave the round in the gun.

Best guess is that the 1st customer was planning to shoot Kevin and rob the store, but backed out when another customer came in.
 
I just assume
that I am dealing with someone that doesn't know better and keep a keen eye on them until I they prove I can trust them, and even then some care has to be taken.

The worst is "I had the safety on". *Sigh* I don't care if you have the "safety" on............don't point it at me again, period, end of discussion. Public ranges with no oversight are the worst. People who want to show off their guns are next. Some just don't get it.
 
A few months ago, my 9 year old daughter came into the basement as I was cleaning a gun. I offered to show it to her and let her handle it. Her immediate question: "Is it loaded?" She made me open the bolt and show her the empty chamber before she would touch it! Warmed my heart.

My daughter, also 9 years old, did the EXACT same thing during Christmas break while I was cleaning guns in the basement. Then she asked if I'd show her how to clean the Buckmark and .22 rifle of mine that she always shoots.

We must be doing something right!
I have 2 grandkids, both 6 years old. If you ask them at any time, no hint, no prompts, out of the blue "what's the first thing you do when someone hands you a gun?" Without fail they will both tell you to check to make sure its empty. They have both called me out on it when they see me pick one up and forget to open the action.
Yes, we must be doing something right.
 
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