Saiga Rifles....

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Well I have a gun feeling that the anti types will go after the evil looking AKs before the ARs. So I will be looking at getting a Saiga soon, that or a carry handgun.
 
Saiga 308 and brass

I have been told that Saiga's in 308 are not very nice to brass. Please advise.
 
(quote) "I have been told that Saiga's in 308 are not very nice to brass. Please advise."

I would advise that your primary concern should be what the saiga does to the projectile, which is sending it downrange reliably and accurately !! :D
 
I have several Saiga's a couple converted and a few I wanted to keep in the sporter versions,but I am a Saiga fan...have .223's,762x39's,308's...intense guns for sure.
 
.308 Saigas tend to leave a dent in the case about halfway up the side. You can still reload even with the dent. Dents can come from two sources. Either the cartridge hits the edge of the top cover upon ejection or it hits the bolt handle. You can eliminate the dents by putting a little plastic edge cover over the top cover near the ejection port or by putting a chunk of surgical tubing over the bolt handle.
 
Love my converted Saiga 7.62x39. You can't really go wrong with Saiga they just seem to be all around great AK's, IMHO the best AK for the money.

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Well I have a gun feeling that the anti types will go after the evil looking AKs before the ARs. So I will be looking at getting a Saiga soon, that or a carry handgun.
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they are going after anything that can accept hi-cap magizines. That pretty much takes away 90% of all the guns in the US made after the year 1930. So don't worry, all guns after that year are inherently evil, so no need for any distinction :barf:

go ahead and buy one for you, not for end-of-our-rights investment. If all of the gun shops start carrying more assault weapons than Wal-Mart guns to keep up demand, then that pretty much makes all EBRs common usage-types if you ask me.

also, just ordered some goodies for my x39. New mags, a sling, and still looking for some new foregrip/handguard pieces

Your political betters have decided you should not have access to rifles in hicap 308 that are sbr's , and are foreign made, especially on a ak platform.
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...where and who said this? 308 models, like all other Saigas, are too popular to go extinct, unless by extinct you mean 'dry up for three months until the next shipment arrives'.
 
(quote) "I have been told that Saiga's in 308 are not very nice to brass. Please advise."

mine does not have any issues with brass..... I reload it with no problems.
 
I recently got a Saiga .223. Very impressed. They are not "fancy," by any means, but are well made to reasonable precision. Tolerances seem fairly tight. I haven't had a chance to shoot it much so can't yet comment on accuracy. I'm fascinated by the simple, elegant AK design.

There are typical AK issues - basically, that the safety location is bad ergonomincally, and the sight radius is short. Not biggies, IMHO.

For the price the Saigas are unbeatable, I think.

My .223 leaves a slight dent in ejected brass, about at the midpoint. I'm sure it can be reloaded a couple times at least. I would also expect it to use steelcased with no issues. However, I do notice that it also leaves a dent in the case head, surrounding the primer - this appears to be caused by the firing pin bushing. I don't think it harms anything, but it makes the ammo look like it has crimped primers, even though it didn't start with crimped primers!
 
My .223 leaves a slight dent in ejected brass, about at the midpoint. I'm sure it can be reloaded a couple times at least. I would also expect it to use steelcased with no issues. However, I do notice that it also leaves a dent in the case head, surrounding the primer - this appears to be caused by the firing pin bushing. I don't think it harms anything, but it makes the ammo look like it has crimped primers, even though it didn't start with crimped primers!
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That's an intended feature, created for the Russian market. The government there wants to know when the gun used in a crime was manufactured for civilians.
 
Jguy101 said:
That's an intended feature, created for the Russian market. The government there wants to know when the gun used in a crime was manufactured for civilians.
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I'm pretty sure all AK's do that. I think what you're referring to is the expanded portion of the chambers of some 7.62 Saigas. The casing comes out with the neck bulged. There are pictures floating around the Saiga-12 forum.
 
The 7.62x39 bulges the neck and the .223 leaves an extra dent surrounding the primer but these are both Saiga things, not AK things. As Jguy indicated, they are intended to identify civilian firearms.

The dents in the side of the case are a result of the cases getting banged up during extraction and that is an AK thing.
 
The 7.62x39 bulges the neck and the .223 leaves an extra dent surrounding the primer but these are both Saiga things, not AK things. As Jguy indicated, they are intended to identify civilian firearms.
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Thanks to you and Jguy for explaining this. Follow up question: does it affect reloadability of the cases? I wouldn't think so on the .223 with the head dent, but if the 7.62x39 bulges the neck, that seems like it would make it hard to resize, and lead to early cracks and splitting in the neck. Does anyone successfully reload brass fired in a Saiga 7.62?
 
I am looking at buying a 7.62 x 39. Should I get the 16" barrel, or the 20" barrel, and why?

Thanks in advance.
 
I have a Saiga 7.62x39 and shoot it a lot with a Kobra red dot from Tantal. It is definitely more accurate than open sights.

In a shoot out with the M4 on the military channel it couldn't compete at 200 yards and in ultra slow motion photography, the barrel looked like a whip.

It was designed for close up killin' and does that job very well. Mine has never hiccoughed and is the weapon I would grab in an emergency.
 
Flash,

My last groups were 2.5 to 3 MOA at 100 yards. I'm sure it would be better if you got some nice ammo for it. The 1:10 twist rate means it wont fire the heavier "match " bullets very well.
 
mine creases the case.
to keep from beating up my brass quite so badly i put some plastic edge guard type stuff on the receiver covers edge where the brass hits it.
it helped a lot.
i dont know what to tell you to use because i found the stuff i used in my junk drawer.
go snoop around in home depot or places like that.
 
No offense, but that military channel BS was staged. A ninety year old parkinson's patient has better trigger control than the guy shooting the AK at 200yrds. Shoot, I've hit things smaller than a man at 575yrds with my AK. Oh and the M16? Whips too. You just can't see it under the half-mile of handguard.
 
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