SAN ANTONIO TX HOA Wants To Slaughter Deer

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I guess this is what happens when anti gun/anti hunting idiots think mother nature will take care of the planet and animal populations. I really love the reporters choice of words "slaughter" instead of "harvest". This problem is occurring all over the U.S. The idea that hunting is bad and that hunters can't shoot straight bugs me. Lastly, Texas outlawed hunting with bow or rifle on any land less than ten acres in "incorporated areas".

http://www.ksat.com/news/20983238/detail.html

SAN ANTONIO -- A huge battle is brewing in an exclusive north side neighborhood over plans to thin the deer population.

The Elm Creek Homeowners Association wants to trap and slaughter 100 deer out of a herd of 231 in an effort it says is necessary to protect residents, plants and deer.

But opponents said they were blindsided by the plans and call the move senseless and cruel.

"My children love them, my grandchildren can't wait to come and see the deer," said Susan McNatt, an Elm Creek resident.

"They say, 'Oh it's an emotional issue'," said Neal. "Well, sure it's an emotional issue."

But the HOA board said most residents are tired of deer eating their plants.

"The dominant concern and frustration in Elm Creek is the overpopulated deer herd," said HOA board member Tom Jaco.

"So many people said, 'Do something about the deer,'" said HOA treasurer Mickey Roth.

HOA board members said 230 deer simply cannot exist in 150 acres of habitat the neighborhood offers.

Board members said that Texas Parks and Wildlife officials advised them to trim the herd based on the assumption the deer are captive.

And that may not be the case. KSAT 12 News video showed at least one big gap in the perimeter fence, which deer may be using to move to other property.

"There's a lot of fence that's down there and I hike all back in there,” said resident Dan McNatt. "And there's deer that come and go everyday."

Jaco did not deny that sections of fence may be down.

"We have that possibility of that transfer from other areas," he said.

Still, Jaco believes that culling the deer population is best for everyone involved.

HOA officials do not have a permit yet to slaughter the deer, but they hope TPW awards the permit so they can begin capturing deer next month. The HOA plans to give the deer meat to charity.

Meanwhile, opponents said they have at least 200 signatures on a petition opposing the deer capture.
 
Now that's one HOA I can agree with. I'd be happy to help too.
 
Euphemisms employed in the article:

Capture
Thin
Kill
Cull
Trim
Slaughter
 
How do you think they plan to kill them?

If they're going to kill them the same way cattle are killed, then "slaughter" is exactly the correct word.
 
Great idea. More humane by far than letting them overbreed and then starve. Personally, I think deer season and bag limits should be extended anywhere that deer overpopulate.

Canada geese should be given the same consideration.
 
I dont hunt, but someone should explain to these people that they and their cars are now the major predator for these deer. And that endangers their kids who think the deer are so cute.

Once you remove natural predators and provide plenty of food sources (crops and yards) you are going to screw up the balance.

Problem is, it sounds like the area is too populated to allow hunting?
 
Canada geese should be given the same consideration.

Yeah, they have overrun Fort Meade, MD. Can't go anywhere near the parade field without covering your shoes in goose dung.
 
I live right here and let me tell you...the deer are small and thin, really pathetic looking. For the most part during the summer when we get no rain they are starving.

They eat anything green, including piled up grass clippings.

IMO, not worth eating.
 
I agree with Bill, I live just northeast of San Antonio and my wife tells me the deer are on the back porch eating everything. I told her not to try to run them off using a broom!! I was afraid she would get a hoof or antler wound. Where I live used to be a large ranch, it is all subdivided and the no hunting rule really irks me. Across my street is 40 acres of texas scrub, oaks and cedars. My wife says they flow out of that area like a water through a fire hose!!
 
Oh yes I forgot to add, I am in Camp Victory Iraq and unable to have any fun!!!
 
Not exactly the same, but one of the S.E. 'Burbs of Cleveland has had a deer over-run problem for years.

City of Solon, OH...

My problem with thinning the herd...Hired "sharpshooters" from OUT OF STATE to do the shooting, with no regard to fences, yards..climing into residents trees, etc. They were allowed to use rifles of thier choice, while anyone else legally deer hunting in Ohio is limites to plugged shotgun with Slug ONLY (or handgun of minimum .357 & 5" barrel)..
 
There are areas all over Texas where this is an issue. I drive all over central TX working, and I know of several neighborhoods in which this is a problem. I see groups of deer sometimes 10 strong grazing on the lush St Augustine grass at noon while traffic just whizzes by.

I frequently kid my father-in-law when he gripes about them in his yard, and tell him to get a cross bow so can silently fill the freezer.

It's a huge problem, and something will eventually have to give.
 
Two words will solve all of the problems related with urban sprawl and over population of deer and varmints: Compound Bow:).

Many urban areas have allowed bowhunting in the city limits in places like New Jersey (Black Bear) and Illinois(Whitetail Deer). The animals are severely over populated and bowhunting would minimize the eating of the flowers.

Another thing that would minimize the eating of the flowers would be to stop people from having flowers in the front yard and a deer feeder in the backyard so they can watch the deer in the evenings. What do you think the deer will eat for dessert after their evening corn?

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
 
The deer huggers tried to save the deer a couple decades ago in the everglades when the water was high and deer were starving. They wanted no control hunt, only a capture and release program, just to many would be killed if hunted. Finally a compromise was worked out with the state.The huggers could catch the deer on the north side of gator alley and relocate and the fish and game would have there controled hunt on the south side. When all was done the deer were thined to the numbers wanted and all the captured deer died of stress and the control hunt did what it was needed to do. Damd huggers were shut up down that way for some years.
I now live in nc above asheville and there are too many deer in a Biltmore subdivision and a hunt was killed off by huggers here. They HOA just wanted some leo hunters to do the killing with bows and that was shot down after too much air and news paper time ,so i guess the deer are still eating the flowers there. Now we have a bear over population in the mountains and with another mild winter maybe these bears will go have dinner with all these dam huggers and eat them out of there homes. Literally
 
there's a nice park on an island at the mouth of the Thames River in CT....

they had the same problem.... hundreds of dear.

heaven forbid the allow a special season for hunting them...

no, instead they paid the state police SWAT snipers overtime to "thin the heard".....
 
Georgetown is just north of Austin- really just a subdivivision of the Austin/San Antonio Megalopolis. A few years ago they decided to kill off 5,000 deer and feed them to "Theeee Homelessss(whine)" In Austin. Did this I guess but the last time I was in Georgetown, there were still deer prancing around in everybody's yard.

On the south of Austin/North of San Antonio, Beeville residents are irritated by all the wild hogs. Talk of killing all of those too.
 
The solution just might have to wait for Mother Nature. I lived for several years on the Front Range in Colorado. After they shut down all hunting, it took many years but Nature found a solution. The (big) kitty cats moved in and multiplied like crazy with all the good game they had to eat. Then, guess what? The kitty cats became as big, or a bigger problem, than the deer. After they culled down the deer population, they started eating little old ladies’ puppy dogs. One couple, tree huggers both, use to brag about the pretty cougar that came on their deck at night and stared in the picture window while they were watching TV… until it came through the doggie door into their living room. It turns out the whole time it was only on the deck trying to figure out how to have their Labrador retriever for supper.

I’m actually surprised they (the big cats) haven’t started moving back East in large numbers (yet?). It’s either going to be them or wolves. Coyotes can take a few fawns but at least on the Front Range were unable to control the deer population. When man removes himself as the top predator, something else will take over. There should be enough open space and agricultural corridors for them to migrate here. I guess it’s just going to take a few more years to happen.
 
Trapping deer IS senseless and cruel, and doubly so since Texans apparently pay good money for a chance to shoot the [strike]antlered jackrabbits[/strike] deer down there.
 
Now that's one HOA I can agree with. I'd be happy to help too.

I disagree. Why should they be allowed to get a permit to trap the deer when it's otherwise illegal to do so, and when ALLOWING them to do that eases the pressure on the idiots in Austin who pass the laws disallowing bowhunting on your own property. I say, tough noogies, neighborhood association - if you don't like it, then go lobby the legislature in Austin to repeal the idiotic law disallowing bowhunting, and otherwise work to increase the allowed bowhunting times / areas / instances.

We want to increase the pressure on the idgits who disallow hunting and their constituents who vote for them, not decrease the pressure by allowing a venting of the steam, so to speak, via the issuance of such depredation permits. Especially trapping, which is on the order of many times less humane than hunting.
 
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Right on Doc. I dislike HOAs in most regards, but one way they work well is using their "clout" and going after Austin to repeal or enact laws that are beneficial, rather than judgemental.

Even if the herd is thin and small, that's even more evidence that they need to be culled. You want pretty deer? Lessen the herd numbers, they have more to eat (put a feeder or alfalfa pans outside the fences) and they will eat there... no harm, no fowl, and then you can still see them when they migrate from cover to food during the day. It's a win-win.... and have the opportunity to hunt/stalk deer during the daytime with a bow would be an even greater win.
 
Thank you Dr Tad, I agree hunters should be allowed to reduce the population and it needs to be state or nation wide!!!
 
People have lost their minds... We are through the looking glass these days and up is down, right is left, blue is red.

I hope we live through it.

There are people starving to death, dying for lack of X (fill it in) and we are hiring lawyers and wasting money in a fight over whether or not to have SOME DEER or A LOT OF DEER.
 
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