bluestarlizzard
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if anime and guns is the subject i have one title in mind...... NOIR.
Sanitizing the Youth?
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I was born in the last great decade. *stirs-pot*.
Since I was born in '55, I have seen the Indoctrination of the People become more In Step with Government Wishes.
Personally I feel the ball got rolling when Little Bitty Jesus took the oath of office on Air Force One on a dark day in Nov.
Coming up, every kid, boys and girls alike carried a pocket knife, everywhere including School.
Hell the teacher's desks all had a Oilstone and a LOT of our Education did not come from a textbook, instead real life and passing - teaching - life skill sets.
Such as sharpening a pencil with a pocketknife, and keeping a knife sharp using a stone Freehand.
Guns: We rode bikes without helmets all over the damn place, and it was Normal to see kids riding Bikes with a .22 rifle, BBGun - whatever, going down the way to shoot at the shooting spots so designated, and with permission.
Schools had Guns too. Oh yes, My Elementary School had BBGuns for use to use indoors.
WE walked to school so it was normal to see Kids walking to school with their very own BBGuns to shoot indoors on these days.
WE had an outdoor place to shoot .22 rifles and we walked in broad daylight , with guns , on a Field Trip during school hours to shoot these .22 rifles.
Show-n-Tell, damn straight we brought guns to school, or even invited Parents, Relatives, Neighbors to come show us New Guns they had, and share about them.
Archery - same deal. We had Ben Pearson Archery stuff "our size" and again, when "our turn" kids brought their own Archery stuff if they had it...and many Parents, Relatives showed up with their stuff to assist us kids and share with us.
This continued through my High School Years.
Now Gov't was going to save us all, with New Math and Gov't Programs, designed by Gov't Folks that knew what was best for people to keep them safe.
Bull<expletive>!
Cold War was on, and we had Civil Defense for instance. Yellow and Black signs and places to go in case the Ruskies attacked.
We did more CD drills than fire drills!
Hell we already had enough damn sense to have food, water, supplies and all put back in case of an emergency! WE did not need the damn Gov't "advising" and "indoctrinating" us - even kids.
We had serious competitions and even boys against girls. Boys and Girls mixed teams.
Playing chase, Dodge Ball, Suicide, Mumbley-Peg , Volleyball, baseball, football...we did.
Hey, get skinned up, bruised, wind knocked out of you, bust a bone, need stitches...call growing up, deal with it.
Teachers did not have "goals" or have projected "agendas" or this other horse<expletive>.
Kids took test and the Teacher Graded that paper in RED ink and your grade and comments, good and bad were written in RED ink.
Sensitivities y a..
Kid sees a bad grade on a paper, and the teacher's comments, well called growing up.
Teacher was not going to fix it, your parents were liable to come down on you and you had to buckle down and study to get the grades.
We wore clothes we had.
We did not have much money, and normal for families to pass down clothes to kids as they grew into them, and neighbors passed around coats and other clothes.
Dress Code? What the hell for? Our clothes were clean, and we dressed nice and behaved ourselves.
We were just as happy a kid got brand new pair of jeans instead of hand-me-downs and not jealous, not resentful, actually happy for another kid!
Clothes did not keep the bullies away, or make us smarter in school, or anything else.
WE and how raised is what did these Behaviors, Values, Respect and all.
WE Respected the few Catholic, Jewish and Boys and Girls Schools wearing Uniforms.
Heck we are just kids, we were taught to ask questions, so we asked the kids, and Adults and even the Fathers, Nuns, and others about all this.
Yes we have a problem with Government Meddling with the Minds of Society.
Indoctrination, Brainwashing, Propaganda and Utopian Ideas.
Boys are not supposed to be masculine and get into fistfights.
Girls are not supposed to do "boy" stuff.
Competition like playing Tag is not good for kids
Guns, knives, Archery...you folks already know about this horse-stuff!
Screw the Gov't. !
LBJ and those that keep the ball rolling can go shove it.
We don't need no Education - Pink Floyd
Kids need to be raised as I and others like me were.
Screw PC, kids need to play Cowboy & Indians, Army and Japs/ Germans.
They need a single shot .22 rifle and a helluva lot of ammo right there the minute they are brought home from being born.
And the first time big enough, learn to shoot the damn .22 rifle, with iron sights
That baby is Part of the Militia and I don't give a hoot what .gov says.
Kids needs a Quality Slip Joint Pocket knife with Carbon Steel or Chrome Vanadium Blades.
Don't teach that kid with a crutch, teach 'em proper with a slipjoint.
Safety is between the ears, not on a "safey" no matter if a safety on a firearm or "lock" on a goopy a.. steel knife.
Teach that kid how to sharpen freehand quality steel like carbon steel or CV and they are NOT dependent of jigs, jags, and goofy sharpening systems.
Turn off the TV, hell throw the SOB away and quite a bit of Indoctrination will not enter the home in first place.
Then Parent, Mentor Kids.
Don't have kids? So what? Are you too special and selfish you cannot be a Mentor to a kid that really wants one?
Get a kid's sized BB gun, .22 rifle and iron sights and all the BBs and .22 ammo you can carry.
Buy Corn Dogs, hot dogs, hamburgers and get your butt busy cooking this stuff...at the range...so kids can be raised as by golly they have a right to be raised.
Kids got the same damn rights as Adults.
Constitution and BoR does not say one damn word about a person having to be a certain age, be a certain height, or weigh a certain amount.
WE the People raise our youth, not the damn Government!
Use Enough Corn Dawgs
Since I was born in '55, I have seen the Indoctrination of the People become more In Step with Government Wishes.
Personally I feel the ball got rolling when Little Bitty Jesus took the oath of office on Air Force One on a dark day in Nov.
Coming up, every kid, boys and girls alike carried a pocket knife, everywhere including School.
Hell the teacher's desks all had a Oilstone and a LOT of our Education did not come from a textbook, instead real life and passing - teaching - life skill sets.
Such as sharpening a pencil with a pocketknife, and keeping a knife sharp using a stone Freehand.
Guns: We rode bikes without helmets all over the damn place, and it was Normal to see kids riding Bikes with a .22 rifle, BBGun - whatever, going down the way to shoot at the shooting spots so designated, and with permission.
Schools had Guns too. Oh yes, My Elementary School had BBGuns for use to use indoors.
WE walked to school so it was normal to see Kids walking to school with their very own BBGuns to shoot indoors on these days.
WE had an outdoor place to shoot .22 rifles and we walked in broad daylight , with guns , on a Field Trip during school hours to shoot these .22 rifles.
Show-n-Tell, damn straight we brought guns to school, or even invited Parents, Relatives, Neighbors to come show us New Guns they had, and share about them.
Archery - same deal. We had Ben Pearson Archery stuff "our size" and again, when "our turn" kids brought their own Archery stuff if they had it...and many Parents, Relatives showed up with their stuff to assist us kids and share with us.
This continued through my High School Years.
Now Gov't was going to save us all, with New Math and Gov't Programs, designed by Gov't Folks that knew what was best for people to keep them safe.
Bull<expletive>!
Cold War was on, and we had Civil Defense for instance. Yellow and Black signs and places to go in case the Ruskies attacked.
We did more CD drills than fire drills!
Hell we already had enough damn sense to have food, water, supplies and all put back in case of an emergency! WE did not need the damn Gov't "advising" and "indoctrinating" us - even kids.
We had serious competitions and even boys against girls. Boys and Girls mixed teams.
Playing chase, Dodge Ball, Suicide, Mumbley-Peg , Volleyball, baseball, football...we did.
Hey, get skinned up, bruised, wind knocked out of you, bust a bone, need stitches...call growing up, deal with it.
Teachers did not have "goals" or have projected "agendas" or this other horse<expletive>.
Kids took test and the Teacher Graded that paper in RED ink and your grade and comments, good and bad were written in RED ink.
Sensitivities y a..
Kid sees a bad grade on a paper, and the teacher's comments, well called growing up.
Teacher was not going to fix it, your parents were liable to come down on you and you had to buckle down and study to get the grades.
We wore clothes we had.
We did not have much money, and normal for families to pass down clothes to kids as they grew into them, and neighbors passed around coats and other clothes.
Dress Code? What the hell for? Our clothes were clean, and we dressed nice and behaved ourselves.
We were just as happy a kid got brand new pair of jeans instead of hand-me-downs and not jealous, not resentful, actually happy for another kid!
Clothes did not keep the bullies away, or make us smarter in school, or anything else.
WE and how raised is what did these Behaviors, Values, Respect and all.
WE Respected the few Catholic, Jewish and Boys and Girls Schools wearing Uniforms.
Heck we are just kids, we were taught to ask questions, so we asked the kids, and Adults and even the Fathers, Nuns, and others about all this.
Yes we have a problem with Government Meddling with the Minds of Society.
Indoctrination, Brainwashing, Propaganda and Utopian Ideas.
Boys are not supposed to be masculine and get into fistfights.
Girls are not supposed to do "boy" stuff.
Competition like playing Tag is not good for kids
Guns, knives, Archery...you folks already know about this horse-stuff!
Screw the Gov't. !
LBJ and those that keep the ball rolling can go shove it.
We don't need no Education - Pink Floyd
Kids need to be raised as I and others like me were.
Screw PC, kids need to play Cowboy & Indians, Army and Japs/ Germans.
They need a single shot .22 rifle and a helluva lot of ammo right there the minute they are brought home from being born.
And the first time big enough, learn to shoot the damn .22 rifle, with iron sights
That baby is Part of the Militia and I don't give a hoot what .gov says.
Kids needs a Quality Slip Joint Pocket knife with Carbon Steel or Chrome Vanadium Blades.
Don't teach that kid with a crutch, teach 'em proper with a slipjoint.
Safety is between the ears, not on a "safey" no matter if a safety on a firearm or "lock" on a goopy a.. steel knife.
Teach that kid how to sharpen freehand quality steel like carbon steel or CV and they are NOT dependent of jigs, jags, and goofy sharpening systems.
Turn off the TV, hell throw the SOB away and quite a bit of Indoctrination will not enter the home in first place.
Then Parent, Mentor Kids.
Don't have kids? So what? Are you too special and selfish you cannot be a Mentor to a kid that really wants one?
Get a kid's sized BB gun, .22 rifle and iron sights and all the BBs and .22 ammo you can carry.
Buy Corn Dogs, hot dogs, hamburgers and get your butt busy cooking this stuff...at the range...so kids can be raised as by golly they have a right to be raised.
Kids got the same damn rights as Adults.
Constitution and BoR does not say one damn word about a person having to be a certain age, be a certain height, or weigh a certain amount.
WE the People raise our youth, not the damn Government!
Use Enough Corn Dawgs
jrfoxx
Member
No, I saw your point perfectly, I just have no children, haven't been toy gun shopping in 25 years, and have no idea if what you experianced is a localized thing in your area, or is common.So, rather than just blather on about something I know nothing about, or add a +1 after someone elses comment, I thought I'd offer a suggestion you may not have though of (deactivating a cheap airsoft, thus making it a toy), as it seemed likely that you were still looking for a toy gun, as you state you couldn't find any in your area.Sorry, I know that wasnt the point of your thread, and I wasnt trying to derail it, just wanted to offer a possible solution to the problem that caused you to start this thread. Probly shoulda done it by PM though, as it wasn't the discussion you were looking for.Sorry about that.
The commies and uber liberals said they'd destroy us from within. they're doing a good job of it. A lot of you guys sound like its the kid's fault for wanting TV and video games. It ain't their fault, go ask mommy and daddy why their offspring aren't prepared for the real world. A kid just knows what we teach them, but when they're older and wiser, they usually get squared away, or grow a ponytail and drive Volvos with political stickers all over the bumper and rear window.
Maybe we need to take a kid to the range from time-to-time or give them books to read that have stories depicting the wise use of firearms by upstanding and brave characters.
Maybe we need to take a kid to the range from time-to-time or give them books to read that have stories depicting the wise use of firearms by upstanding and brave characters.
bluestarlizzard
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"A lot of you guys sound like its the kid's fault for wanting TV and video games."
funny, i did not get that impression. i think the blame falls on bad parenting and the overwelming influnce of media on our society. how many of these parents READ to their kids? how many of them just go and buy whatever the kid asks for just to stop the whining? how many of them plop their kids in front of the tv to get them out of their hair?
i didn't have a tv between the ages of 4 and 7. we didn't have one in the house. if i was bored, i played with the dogs, with my stuffed animals or ran around the naighborhood with the other kids. every night my mom read me a book. if i whined or did something bad, i got spanked and then sent to the corner. i learned not to tease the dogs the hard way (aka 5 stickes in my face) when i went to CT in the summers to visit my grandparents, i spent all my time inside watching tv, like a slug.
when i grew older i had my dad, who taught me about firearms, responcibilty and watched over me.
i find myself shocked when i see a kid treat an adult starnger with disrespect, mostly because i know that if i did that i would have gotten whiped! the most shocking thing is that the parents DIDN'T do anything.
kids need boundries and freedom at the same time. its a difficult balance, but it can be achived. Play, both formal and informal, is nessasary for kids to understand and learn about the world around them, and to understand the world, one must understand agression.
this whole thing about elimating agressoin from the human race reminds me of Serinity.
funny, i did not get that impression. i think the blame falls on bad parenting and the overwelming influnce of media on our society. how many of these parents READ to their kids? how many of them just go and buy whatever the kid asks for just to stop the whining? how many of them plop their kids in front of the tv to get them out of their hair?
i didn't have a tv between the ages of 4 and 7. we didn't have one in the house. if i was bored, i played with the dogs, with my stuffed animals or ran around the naighborhood with the other kids. every night my mom read me a book. if i whined or did something bad, i got spanked and then sent to the corner. i learned not to tease the dogs the hard way (aka 5 stickes in my face) when i went to CT in the summers to visit my grandparents, i spent all my time inside watching tv, like a slug.
when i grew older i had my dad, who taught me about firearms, responcibilty and watched over me.
i find myself shocked when i see a kid treat an adult starnger with disrespect, mostly because i know that if i did that i would have gotten whiped! the most shocking thing is that the parents DIDN'T do anything.
kids need boundries and freedom at the same time. its a difficult balance, but it can be achived. Play, both formal and informal, is nessasary for kids to understand and learn about the world around them, and to understand the world, one must understand agression.
this whole thing about elimating agressoin from the human race reminds me of Serinity.
Okie, I did not mean that movies were reality. What I meant by a fantasy world was hiding all acts of violence from them rather than allowing them to see things, in this case movies/tv, that depict violent acts. While these things are not "real" fictional things are created as window toward the human condition, there is violence in movies beacouse there is violence in reality, etc. By completely hiding this from children one runs the risk of leaving them unprepaired for the possibility of violence since the entire concept is alien to them.
As to sexual content and children. Very young children do not understand sexual content and are fairly likely to ignore it since theay do not understand it. I know I was this way when I was a child. Once they are old enough to start to understand sexuality and to seek depictions of it to study it is time that the parents of a realalistic coversation about human sexuality and sexual health with them. It seems to that when it come to sexual content alot of parents are bothered by it beacouse they are embarased about addressing the questions it brings up in older children.
As to sexual content and children. Very young children do not understand sexual content and are fairly likely to ignore it since theay do not understand it. I know I was this way when I was a child. Once they are old enough to start to understand sexuality and to seek depictions of it to study it is time that the parents of a realalistic coversation about human sexuality and sexual health with them. It seems to that when it come to sexual content alot of parents are bothered by it beacouse they are embarased about addressing the questions it brings up in older children.
Macmac
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Remmi , I didn't read every post in your thread, but to give you some idea. I am 56. 50 years ago on my 6th birthday my Dad gave me a real .22 single shot bolt gun and let me go do with it as I pleased. That was my first real gun, but far from the first gun he ever allowed me to shoot.
I had a lot of cow boy guns cast in pot metal, that fired rolls of caps. Grandmother bought many of these herself with lever cap guns made of wood and potmetal.. My dad had more fear of BB guns than real ones, I guess he was thinking I would think a BB Gun was more toy than real and therfore put some's eye out.
Recently I read about a grade school maybe 6 being suspened from school,I think banned forever from that school, for pointing a finger like a gun and dropping his thumb like a hammer.
And people tell me I am crazy???
Back then Dad had guns in his unlocked closet, and anyone knew better that to mess with anything in Dads closet. He never ever said a word, somehow we kids just knew.
I had a lot of cow boy guns cast in pot metal, that fired rolls of caps. Grandmother bought many of these herself with lever cap guns made of wood and potmetal.. My dad had more fear of BB guns than real ones, I guess he was thinking I would think a BB Gun was more toy than real and therfore put some's eye out.
Recently I read about a grade school maybe 6 being suspened from school,I think banned forever from that school, for pointing a finger like a gun and dropping his thumb like a hammer.
And people tell me I am crazy???
Back then Dad had guns in his unlocked closet, and anyone knew better that to mess with anything in Dads closet. He never ever said a word, somehow we kids just knew.
Big45
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I have not read the whole thread but.........I was not allowed to play with toy guns as a child. When I was 6 my dad took me out and helped me load and shoot a .50 muzzle loader. That next day we went deer hunting. We shot my first deer that morning. ever since only 1 time did I ask for a toy gun and my dad said why would you want a toy when you can have the real thing. Made sense to me so I got my first gun at 8. Now I did go over to friends houses and play with their toy guns and such had some good times but toy guns then were just that toys. The toy guns from the mid 90's on took on a too real look to them for my likeing. If I had a boy today I would not allow him to play with toy guns in my area and this day and age I feel toy guns will only cause problems. Instead I would treat him like my dad treated me.
another okie
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I don't blame people for sheltering kids from violence in movies and TV. Fantasy violence has a big impact on kids and leads some of them to conclude that violence is normal. Even many adults have trouble telling fiction from reality, as we can see when people describe the streets as full of machine guns, or claim that Johnson killed Kennedy, or that one bullet hole in an airplane will cause it to go down.
But I also think kids should know where dinner comes from, and that there are bad people in the world, and how to take care of those bad people.
But I also think kids should know where dinner comes from, and that there are bad people in the world, and how to take care of those bad people.
When I was a kid I thought I couldn't live without a tv. Then at the age of 16 moved out and had no extra money to buy a tv and the accompanying cable service with it. Haven't watched the thing in about nine years. Best thing I ever did. Started walking through the park to read at the newly opened barnes and nobles. High school teacher saw me reading one day and told me to stop. I asked her why and she said, "You're going to become smarter than me soon."
bluestarlizzard
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"I don't blame people for sheltering kids from violence in movies and TV. Fantasy violence has a big impact on kids and leads some of them to conclude that violence is normal. Even many adults have trouble telling fiction from reality, as we can see when people describe the streets as full of machine guns, or claim that Johnson killed Kennedy, or that one bullet hole in an airplane will cause it to go down"
i'd rather teach to reconize and diffrenciate fiction from reality. kid see's something on t.v., asks is that really possible or is that right. reply, "i don't know, look it up"
1.) the kid is learning research, points of veiw, evaluating information.
2.) kid learns not to believe everything they see on t.v.
3.) kid has to think about it.
i'd rather teach to reconize and diffrenciate fiction from reality. kid see's something on t.v., asks is that really possible or is that right. reply, "i don't know, look it up"
1.) the kid is learning research, points of veiw, evaluating information.
2.) kid learns not to believe everything they see on t.v.
3.) kid has to think about it.
That was interesting, sm, but as a 16 year old I can't believe things were ever so good. That is just far out, they really were the "good 'ol days", huh?
You are lucky to have grown up at the peak of our society. It's worse than ever now... I was expelled for drawing a revolver (on paper, not out of my pants). It is frustrating, but what can we do? Hell, I can't even vote.
You are lucky to have grown up at the peak of our society. It's worse than ever now... I was expelled for drawing a revolver (on paper, not out of my pants). It is frustrating, but what can we do? Hell, I can't even vote.
XD-40 Shooter
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Shoot, when I was 9 years old I had a single shot 22 rifle, that I got to shoot almost every weekend with my dad. Boy how times have changed, much for the worse I'm afraid. Now we've got a bunch of pretty men in women's underwear that pee themselves as soon as they even see a real gun....lmao!
Mauserguy
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When Mauserguy was a lad of six or seven, he had a cowboy hat, chaps and a pair of six shooters on his hips. One day Mom took him to the bank. She didn't want him to bring his toy guns into the bank, but young Mauserguy, the right winger he is, stood his ground, and stuck to his guns. He would not dissarm. It's not known if they made it into the bank that day.
Mauserguy
PS: Oddly, I have no interest in cowboy guns today. I guess I got them out of my system when I was a kid.
Mauserguy
PS: Oddly, I have no interest in cowboy guns today. I guess I got them out of my system when I was a kid.
GlowinPontiac
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when i was a kid i had an old military cadet training rifle i picked up for a dollar at a yard sale. the previous owner had layered on the white paint so thick that the bolt would not open.
me and my father stripped it down and refinished it back into looking like a real gun. hell it even had a gold painted wooden cartridge in the chamber that would slide back and forth on a spring when you opened the bolt.
somewhere in my parents shed that rifle is still kicking around.
carrying it around the neighborhood now would surely result in a call to the police.
me and my father stripped it down and refinished it back into looking like a real gun. hell it even had a gold painted wooden cartridge in the chamber that would slide back and forth on a spring when you opened the bolt.
somewhere in my parents shed that rifle is still kicking around.
carrying it around the neighborhood now would surely result in a call to the police.
CZ 42 note my sig line
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Shoot. When I was 8 or 9 I had three or four BB guns of my own, hung on pegs in my bedroom and all named. My Pop helped me build a BB gun range in the basement of our summer house. Favorite fun was shooting at a nail hung by a string from the floor joists.
I used to run around the woods out in Ronkonkoma, Long Island with a BB gun and a machete. In fact, they didn't like me exploring the woods without a machete... loose dogs were common.
We were clearing the land, and everybody had their own war surplus machete except my Sister and my Mom.
But that was 1948 or 9.
I had many of the roll-cap SAA-style guns for "city" use, and a matched pair of them in double holsters a la Tom Mix or Gene Autry or Hopalong Cassidy, I forgot which.
I also had a Cadet Model of a Springfield '03 with a gold-painted wooden cartridge attached to the front of the bolt. Like the below, except black bolt and front sight. (Gasp!)
I guess they tried to make them as realistic as possible back then, not as unrealistic.
I also had a lot of model sailboats which I used to sail in the lake at Kissena Park.
Maybe I'm not a criminal because of the model boats.
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Shoot. When I was 8 or 9 I had three or four BB guns of my own, hung on pegs in my bedroom and all named. My Pop helped me build a BB gun range in the basement of our summer house. Favorite fun was shooting at a nail hung by a string from the floor joists.
I used to run around the woods out in Ronkonkoma, Long Island with a BB gun and a machete. In fact, they didn't like me exploring the woods without a machete... loose dogs were common.
We were clearing the land, and everybody had their own war surplus machete except my Sister and my Mom.
But that was 1948 or 9.
I had many of the roll-cap SAA-style guns for "city" use, and a matched pair of them in double holsters a la Tom Mix or Gene Autry or Hopalong Cassidy, I forgot which.
I also had a Cadet Model of a Springfield '03 with a gold-painted wooden cartridge attached to the front of the bolt. Like the below, except black bolt and front sight. (Gasp!)
I guess they tried to make them as realistic as possible back then, not as unrealistic.
I also had a lot of model sailboats which I used to sail in the lake at Kissena Park.
Maybe I'm not a criminal because of the model boats.
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Autolycus
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It was not necessarily good. We had a lot worse problems besides gun control. Think about civil rights, abortion rights, divorce laws, spousal rape laws, Jim Crow laws, and other civil unrest. Look at the riots that took place during the 60s, the assinations, the wars, etc. The 70s were not much better. They brought on the rise of drugs and criminal organizations which stretched into the 80s.
In regards to gun laws it was ok. However it was not much better for others.
I would probably still rather live back in the era mom and dad grew up in (both were born in the late forties, college in the late 60s, early 70s). Far less of the good green earth under black top, LOTS more small game to hunt, less gun control and general restrictions on freedom. Hey maybe we could redo alot of that reform and just keep the good bits.
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