savage model 11/111

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Im looking to buy a new gun, I like the way the savage rifles feel, but I don't know if I should go for 22-250 or 308 o 30-06, looking at $400 for the rifle, I wanna be able toconsistently shoot coyote at 500yards, and be a decent caliber for a general hunting, should I need to drop deer hog bear Godzilla(you get the idea) so what's the best all around, im really looking for something that's accurate at distances past 300yards, so any calibers I should look into?
 
Well, if you're set on the 11/111 then I guess there are a few questions to ask.

Are you getting the hunter or the trophy hunter?

I can be more helpful with my response when I have that info.

With regards to caliber, you're looking to take 500 yard shots? Well, you need a lot of practice, a very good field rest system and some training if you want to be ethical. You'll want to spend more on your optics than the gun for that.

With regards to Caliber, most shoot to the same effective MPBR out to about 350 yard or so in my opinion. If you're looking for 500 yard shooting any large cartridge will do (as compared to 223) such as 308, 270, 30'06, 7mm'08, 7mm Remmag, 300wm, etc. The trick is in knowing the trajectory well and how to adjust for it.

You say you want a round for general purpose including possibly some large game. Well, the 22-250 you're asking about has a 1 in 12 twist so your bullet weight is limited to 55 grain. You can forget that cartridge.
 
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I'm sure you'll hear that there is no "magic bullet". I would say look at the 25-06, it might be a good starting point for what you're looking for.

Let some others jump on in the morning and get some better ideas of what's out there.
 
The 11/111 is great, get a 270 Win with 130gr it can shoot very flat out to 500 and kill anything you would need to in the lower 48, as a side bonus you can still find ammo for it. I have an 11 in 270 WSM that shoots laser flat but you will likely never need the 200 extra fps.
 
im looking barebones basic, I know my scope, and I know my rest will be a bipod, the 25-06 was originally my first choice I just can't find one right now for under $600
 
Nothing wrong with a 25-06 but just like my favorite the 6.5x55 it is something of a handloaders cartridge. In factory form the 270 does everything the 25-06 will on deer class game even shoot just as flat, at that point the only edge the quarterbore holds is a slight reduction in recoil, but as I said handloads are a totally different game. 270 Win ammo also costs quite a bit less.
The Savage rifles are well worth the money, but keep your eyes open there are deal out there to be had, I got my superb T3 Stainless for $408 and my new (FN) Winchester 70 Featherweight for just under $500 NIB. I got my last Savage 110 30-06 as a scoped combo for $386 from Wal-Mart but I know they have gone up in the past few months around here.
 
I had just found a Savage 110 in .270 w/ scope at a pawn shop the other day, $250. There are deals out there you just need to find them.

I should have asked in my first post, but do you reload? I have a bad habit of looking at shooting as a reloader now, caliber selection isn't limited on what I can find at Walmart.
 
Yes I reload, I to be more specific, im after the savage rifle, mostly for the availability of parts to build it how I want, I don't like the remingtons, the winchesters and tikkas I've been looking at. im pretty dead seat on buying a new rifle. im trying to find an absolute basic savage, the only reason im not after the axis is that there's not very many stock optionsif .270 will handle good though, I might just look into those. I can find them easy.
 
I personally love my Savage. I have a Model 10 in .308 that I reload for. With my hand loads it is an absolute tack driver when I do my part. The only thing that keeps me from taking it any longer than 200 yards is lack of range space in South Georgia.

I think if you get an older model 110 you'd be able to keep your cost down.
 
You're looking for the least expensive rifle you can find,,,with an inexpensive scope...to shoot coyotes consistently at 500 yds? It ain't gunna happen. I think you should reavaluate your expectations
 
and what's the difference between the long action and the short action, how will I know if im just looking at it,eventually I'll be looking at a chaote stock like their varmint stocks. im pretty sure on the .270, but what are the differences between the Stevens 200 and savage 111
 
Then I think that's the route I'll go, if I don't like the trigger I can always polish it up, or drop a timney in it, how do I tell, if its a long or short action, Stevens 200 .270win?
 
Can't like a Savage in a long action. It would be the model 11 in 308, 243, or 7-08 for me.

I'd just as soon have the Stevens 200 as most of the Savage rifles. It is the same rifle with no accutrigger and a blind magaazine. Some Savages come with blind mags, others with detachable mags or floorplates. I'd just as soon have a blind magazine and put the money saved into a better scope.
 
Savage long actions are exceptionally long, alot of scopes would not clear my Reaper rings when I scoped my 30-06. 7mm-08 or 308 are always solid choices I own both.
 
im looking at other information, says the Stevens short action uses a different bolt pattern from the savage short action

as far as the action screws
 
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I own the Savage 11 in .308 and absolutely love it. It is very accurate out of the box. I upgraded the optics but nothing else and feel comfortable shooting long ranges with my reloads. I think it is safe to say that this gun can out shoot me !! Get it and you will not regret it. If you reload, you will have about the same bullet choices as the 06 ranging from 110 gr to 220 gr which should allow you to be able to find something to fit your needs. Good luck.
 
As I alluded to earlier, there are new versions of the 11/111 which are totally different from the previous versions. The new Trophy Hunter version comes with a stock that's meant to look like an accustock but isn't. It does have the accustock bolt release system though and the plastic trigger guard which holds it in place broke on my sample.

It doesn't have the traditional magazines for the 11/111 but rather it uses the magazines from the Savage Axis! Plastic release!

The barrel nut is different, etc.

I would avoid these models.

I have one and they are not what they are cracked up to be.

The finish on the bolt face is horrendously bad.

During feeding, the action sticks on my sample for no apparent reason after the cartridge is already in the chamber 80% of the way. It requires a good shove to close completely. Some other savage rifles that I've owned/handled including a 111 FCXP didn't have this problem. This speaks to their consistency and QC.

The extractor is not as strong as, say, the M16 style in a Howa action et al or a Mauser design. It flings the cases limply from the chamber and there have been units that have shipped from the factory as defective.

Also, the bases were not to spec and made mounting zee rings IMPOSSIBLE. I verified this with calipers. So, I had to remove them but they used a thread locker at the factory and the heads of the soft screws were not strong enough to remove the glued-in screws. I had to tap deeply into the screws to remove them!

The scope base holes which are drilled into the receiver were not in line with the bore or even each other on the sample that I had so lapping was required.

The rings are no good either, they were not made well and the scope was not in line with the bore.

Once I replaced the bases and rings, lapped and leveled, things were better. The stock rings are too high, too.

Be careful to examine the rifle carefully before you take it home. My sample has both of the turret caps cross threaded and basically destroyed by the gorilla who bore sighted the scope at the factory. It was nowhere near level.

Also, you'll almost need to purchase a short action version. The Savage long action is longer than any other manufacturer's Magnum Length action. It's ridiculous. This is because Savage cuts corners with the alignment of their chambers and bores and the quality of their fit with the receiver. So, they need a floating bolt head etc which ads to the length. A Sako or Tikka it ain't as they use precision and quality of manufacture to get their accuracy. This is much the same way that the trigger isn't a fine tuned piece that breaks clean at a low weight. They can be that way, yes. Sometimes they trip when the bolt is closed hard on some samples. It's a mass produced mixed bag with no real QC. That is the purpose behind the accu-trigger's center blade. It allows Savage to set the trigger to a weight that may or may not be safe (in any other rifle) and rely on the safety blade to prevent any accidents.

So, if you do plan to buy a 11/111 trophy hunter you'll need:
-bases
-rings
-the ability to tap those screw heads
-a scope level kit
-A replacement metal trigger guard and bolt release from savage
-a backup magazine as the plastic one is C-H-E-A-P and will probably break at the worst time.

Or you could just buy something like a Vanguard Series 2 with the low Talley Vanguard rings and be really happy.

If you are stuck on a 111 I would try to get a hold of an FCNS or even an older 111 FCXP if you can find one. I had an FCXP which hadn't had the brown residue from the bluing process completely tumbled off at the factory. How embarrassing for them. It shot well though and had bottom metal rather than plastic and a metal magazine. Clearly superior to the current 'trophy hunter' version.



Here's what it looks like after I applied all the fixes and replaced the scope after sending the other away for warranty work. Note the Savage Axis magazine.

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I read your review on another forum today and it pissed me off that Savage streamlined their product line to forcing you to buy their XP packages and pay up for the cheap scopes and crappy mounts/rings. I liked it better when they had about 2-3 years ago, all these budget rifles with iron sights, blind mags, detachable mags, accutrigger etc. but you could get them for $300-400 and not be forced to swallow another $100-150 for the scope and bases.

I was really hoping to get into a Savage, but the $550 price range for the Trophy Hunter XP is too high, I'd rather justify bumping up to $600-650 for a used Rem 700 from the 70's, 80's, 90's.
 
I am not located in the United States so maybe prices are totally different here but for the same money as the Trophy Hunter XP, you can get a Tikka, A Vanguard Series 2, and a few other options all of which I'd put above the Savage in its current budget incarnation.

Those Tikka's have some cut corners, too but they save money in manufacturing on things that don't matter so much. Their barrels are Sako and they're wonderful. Their alignment as spoken about above is great, and all their triggers are OUTSTANDING and hand tuned from the factory. Their triggers are superior to the accutrigger as it comes from the factory and they don't rely on that safety blade kludge to keep things safe. Yes, they have some plastic pieces to save money but they don't cut corners on the things that matter.

The Weatherby Vanguard Series 2 is amazing. Really good trigger if you are accustomed to a 2-stage trigger. Nice stock with palm swell and griptonite inserts, very accurate action (guaranteed sub-moa), great machining at the price point, all metal parts except the stock itself and the follower plate. Really a quality piece which will be apparent when it's handled. The drawback is it's quite a heavy rifle. Good for managing recoil and steady shots, I suppose. In this rifle, I recommend the stainless, it's great.

Both of the above rifles are guaranteed Sub-MOA while the Savage isn't. In practice, it usually is but it says something about their confidence in QC when they don't guarantee the accuracy like the other brands.
 
to be honest im looking to buy a gun for the barreled action, my plans are to buy a rifle, set it in a choate stock, slap a Redfield3-9x42 revenge on it, and upgrade the trigger if I decide to. what im wondering right now is. will the short action Stevens fit into a stock made for a model 10?im realizing the 11 just ain't worth the money for what im wanting to do. im not looking for match grade persay, just a tough rifle for hunting and planking. the im looking a building it up over the next couple years,
 
I can't answer your stevens question but if you're looking for a platform gun the Howa 1500 or Rem 700 are good options.

I can tell you that I've had a Stevens 200. It was one of the last years they made them. The action seemed pretty similar to the 111 FCXP that I had but the internal magazine was CRAP. It was so hard to put cartridges into it. It really did hurt your fingers. If you go the stevens route, you'll need a new magazine too. As stated earlier, I would seriously try to find an old 111 FCXP if you're really stuck on Savage Arms. They sold tons of them, can't be that hard.
 
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