Save Money Reloading Handgun Ammo?

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I am thinking about buying some equipment and components so I can start reloading my own ammo. My father-in-law used to reload sometimes, but he says that it saves so little money per round that he would rather just buy his ammo.

I shoot a variety of centerfire handgun calibers. Would I save enough per box of ammo to make reloading worthwhile?
 
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depends on how much you shoot.

Yea, I know, not what you wanted to see.

The cost per round will vary dramatically depending on the intended use for said ammo.

Plinking/blasting ammo can be considerably less per round than factory stuff.

Trying to wring every last millimeter of accuracy will increase cost, using premium components will increase cost.
 
It would just be for not very serious target shooting and general plinking. I don't shoot in any competitive events, and wouldn't be eager to load my own SD ammo until I was experienced.
 
Depends entirely on the caliber.

You can save very little on 9mm.

You can save 500% or more on the less common calibers and big bore Magnums depending on making your own cast bullets or buying jacketed bullets.

rc
 
with my recycling range scrap and powder coating
using range pick up brass
using expensive primers $.04/ea
good fast powder $.01/ea

ill say $.06/ea
thats $3 a box for 9mm
of course .45 acp and .40 load for that same expensive price

so ya its worth it
ive been shooting a bit less per range session as now there is a veritable gang of us out there twice a week (when i was by my lonesome, i would run up to 600 rnds/week
so i really hardly run past 1200 rounds/month lately

ohh i have a big ole slug of primers at $.023/each now
so plus $.01 for powder
so that $.033/ea lets round it to $.04/ea for fun so thats $2.00 a box for 9mm cant beat that!
 
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Before 2008 9mm and .38 Special ammo offered little savings to the reloader, today even those cartridges will cost you twice as much for factory ammo as for reloaded ammo.

Like said above, the more rare the cartridge the greater the savings. The 45 Colt will cost you between $40 and $50 a box of 50. I can reload a box of 45 Colts with a 250gr LRN bullet for only $8.60.

At current component prices ($25/lb powder, $30/k primers) a box of .38 Special with a 158gr LSWC bullet will cost me $6.43 to load. A 9mm 124gr LRN Coated bullet will cost me $5.79/box. A box of 124gr FMJ 9mm ammo costs me $7.99 to load. (Zero FMJ bullets)

I can load 55gr FMJ .223 ammo for 20 cents round and a good 168gr match grade 30-06 for only 39 cents a round.
 
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Yes you will save money. How much depends on how much you shoot and how much/how you buy components. Buying components in bulk will yield some pretty good savings.
Yes, 9MM doesn't have the savings margin that 45 ACP does, but you will still save money. I am loading 9MM for around $5 per 50 using MBC Lead 125 gr or plated bullets. Compare that to $10-12 per 50 for bought and you have some pretty good savings. In rifle you will save as well. Some say you don't save on 223, but it's like 9MM, savings are there.
I just ran a batch of 380 ACP -- 246 rounds, using primers that I had bought for $15/K, Xtreme plated bullets 64.20/K, Promo powder @ 13/#. Whopping total of $20.76 for the batch of 246. That's $4.22 a box of 50. Even if the primers were at $25-27 per 1K that would only be less than $5.50 a box. Compare that to any store bought 380.
 
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Probably has been.
But Cabalas has it today for about $10 bucks a box.

100 9mm jackets bullets are about $20 or more per 100.

Add primers & powder, and pretty soon you are not saving money.
You are spending money to reload the same ammo.

rc
 
Other benefits than savings

The fish I catch might cost more than the fish I buy;
The veggies I grow might cost more than the those I buy;
The ammunition I shoot might cost more than retail;
Why do I fish, garden and handload?
If you have to ask why, you probably won't understand; these activities enrich my life.

Actually, to tell the truth, I do calculate the cost of my ammunition, fish and zuccini. I even include the dollar value of my time. If you have to ask why, you probably won't understand. Running the numbers satisfies my curiosity. If including my time in the cost of my handloads makes them appear to cost more than store-bought, so be it. I don't care. If it doesn't enrich me, it, at least, enriches my life.

Let me count the ways:

Economy: Depending on what cartridges you are reloading (and whether or not you want to count your time and the up-front equipment costs) you can save anywhere from just a little to 80% or more of your ammo costs. (9mm is very close to no savings. 500 S&W, my friend's ammo costs are $0.75 per round, factory loaded ammo is $3.00 each for comparable ammo. More exotic calibers (especially rifle calibers) can save even more. Some rounds are not even available on a regular basis at any price.

Quality: Ammo you craft yourself can be tuned to your firearms particular characteristics. Handloaders for rifles quite often find some individual guns have quite striking differences in group size when shooting tuned ammunition.

Knowledge: As you study reloading, you will, perforce, also study internal ballistics. The study of internal ballistics leads into the study of how your firearm works.

Customization: Ammo you load yourself can be tuned to your particular needs. My friend with the 500 S&W loads full power loads and "powder puff" loads that clock 350 grain slugs a little under 800 feet per second. I know that's more than a G.I. 45 ACP's power and momentum, but they shoot like 22 rimfire in that big, heavy gun. Great for fun, familiarization, training and letting the curious bystander go for a "test drive" with a super-light load, a medium load, a heavy load and, if they are still game one of the big boomers. This tends to avoid the "rear sight in the forehead" mark.

Satisfaction: Punching small bunches of small, medium or large holes in paper or bringing down a game or food animal with ammunition you crafted yourself has a good deal of satisfaction. Same reason I prefer to make my own biscuits instead of store-bought.

Smug satisfaction: When the ammo shelves are bare during a market or political scare, loaders are demonstrably less affected by the shortages. A couple of pounds of powder, a thousand primers and bullets (or few pounds of lead) and a hundred cartridge cases wouldn't fill a small book carton, but lets the loader know he can shoot while price-gougers take advantage of non-loaders.

Self-satisfaction: The repetitive, calm, attentive concentration of the reloading activities is often found to be so much fun as to bring to the shooter's mind the question, "Do I reload so I can shoot shoot or do I shoot so I can reload?". Some find loading to be as satisfying a hobby as shooting or fly-tying or many other hobbies.

The more fanatical among us combine a couple of the features I have mentioned and, instead of shooting for bullseye accuracy at the range, reload in a search for the "magic load" that achieves perfection in a given rifle. Then, they move on to the next target, which is another rifle and another tuned load. But you do have to be at least a little fanatical to even get it. It is the hunt they seek, for they enjoy the quest more than the goal.


I am sure there are many other reasons, but these are the main ones I can think of.

Handloading is not rocket science, but it does involve flame and smoke and things that go very fast, so caution is appropriate. If you can change a tire without losing your lug nuts and follow a cake recipe reasonably well, you can reload.

Thanks for asking our advice

Lost Sheep
 
10 Advices for the Novice Loader

10 Advices for the novice loader

I have thought of a few things I think are useful for handloaders to know or to consider which seem to be almost universally mentioned, so I put together this list of 10 advices.


Much is a matter of personal taste and circumstance, though. So, all advice carries this caveat, "your mileage may vary".


So you can better evaluate my words, here is the focus of my experience. I load for handguns (44 Mag, 45 ACP, 45 Colt, 454 Casull, 9mm, 357 Mag, 480 Ruger) a couple hundred per sitting and go through 100 to 500 centerfire rounds per month. I don't cast....yet.


When I bought my first gun (.357 Magnum Dan Wesson revolver), I bought, at the same time, a reloading setup because I knew I could not afford to shoot if I did not reload my own ammo. My setup was simple. A set of dies, a press, a 2" x 6" plank, some carriage bolts and wing nuts, a scale, two loading blocks. I just mounted the press on the plank wedged into the drawer of an end table. I did not use a loading bench at all.


It cost me about 1/4 of factory ammo per round and paid for itself pretty quickly.


I still believe in a minimalist approach and and try to keep my inventory of tools low. I do not keep my loading gear set up when not in use, either, but pack them away in small toolboxes until the next loading session.


Now, here are my Ten Advices.


Advice #1 Use Reliable Reference Sources Wisely - Books, Videos, Web Sites, etc.


Study up in loading manuals until you understand the process well, before spending a lot of (or any) money on equipment.


Read as many manuals as you can, for the discussion of the how-to steps found in their early chapters. The reason you want more than one or two manuals is that you want to read differing authors/editors writing styles and find ones that "speak" to you. What one manual covers thinly, another will cover well so give better coverage of the subject; one author or editor may cover parts of the subject more thoroughly than the others. The public library should have manuals you can read, then decide which ones you want to buy. Dated, perhaps but the basics are pretty unchanging.


I found "The ABC's of Reloading" to be a very good reference. Containing no loading data but full of knowledge and understanding of the process. I am told the older editions are better than the newer ones, so the library is looking even better.


There are instructional videos now that did not exist in the '70s when I started, but some are better than others. Filter all casual information through a "B.S." filter.


Only after you know the processing steps of loading can you look at the contents of of a dealer's shelves, a mail-order catalog or a reloading kit and know what equipment you want to buy. If you are considering a loading kit, you will be in a better position to know what parts you don't need and what parts the kits lack. If building your own kit from scratch, you will be better able to find the parts that will serve your into the future without having to do trade-ins.


Advice #2 All equipment is good. But is it good FOR YOU?


Almost every manufacturer of loading equipment makes good stuff; if they didn't, they would lose reputation fast and disappear from the marketplace. Generally you get what you pay for and better equipment costs more. Cast aluminum is lighter and less expensive but not so abrasion resistant as cast iron. Cast iron lasts practically forever. Aluminum generally takes more cleaning and lubrication to last forever. Just think about what you buy. Ask around. Testimonials are nice. But if you think Ford/Chevy owners have brand loyalty, you have not met handloaders. Testimonials with reasoning behind them are better. RCBS equipment is almost all green, Dillon-blue, Lee-red. Almost no manufacturers cross color lines and many handloaders simply identify themselves as "Blue" or whatever. Make your own choices.


About brand loyalties, an example: Lee Precision makes good equipment, but is generally considered the "economy" equipment maker (though some of their stuff is considered preferable to more expensive makes, as Lee has been an innovator both in price leadership which has introduced many to loading who might not otherwise have been able to start the hobby and in introduction of innovative features like their auto-advancing turret presses). But there are detractors who focus on Lee's cheapest offerings to paint even their extremely strong gear as inferior. My advice: Ignore the snobs.


On Kits: Almost every manufacturer makes a kit that contains everything you need to do reloading (except dies and the consumables). A kit is decent way to get started. Eventually most people wind up replacing most of the components of the kit as their personal taste develops (negating the savings you thought the kit gave you), but you will have gotten started, at least.


On building your own kit: The thought processes you give to assembling your own kit increases your knowledge about reloading. You may get started a couple weeks later than if you started with a kit, but you will be far ahead in knowledge.


Advice #3 While Learning, don't get fancy. Progressive, turret or Single Stage? Experimental loads? Pushing performance envelopes? Don't get fancy.


While you are learning, load mid-range at first so overpressures are not concerns. Just concentrate on getting the mechanical steps of loading right and being VERY VERY consistent (charge weight, crimp strength, bullet seating depth, primer seating force, all that). Use a voluminous, "fluffy", powder that is, one that is easy to see that you have charged the case and which will overflow your cartridge case if you mistakenly put two powder charges in it.


While learning, only perform one operation at a time. Whether you do the one operation 50 (or 20) times on a batch of cases before moving on to the next operation - "Batch Processing" or take one case through all the sequence of operations between empty case to finished cartridge - "Continuous Processing", sometimes known as "Sequential Processing", learn by performing only one operation at a time and concentrating on THAT OPERATION. On a single stage press or a turret press, this is the native way of operation. On a progressive press, the native operation is to perform multiple operations simultaneously. Don't do it. While you can learn on a progressive press, in my opinion too many things happen at the same time, thus are hard to keep track of (unless you load singly at first). Mistakes DO happen and you want to watch for them ONE AT A TIME. Until handloading becomes second nature to you.


Note: A turret press is essentially a single stage press with a moveable head which can mount several dies at the same time. What makes it like a single stage rather than a progressive is that you are still using only one die at a time, not three or four dies simultaneously at each stroke.


On the Turret vs Single stage the decision is simpler. You can do everything on a Turret EXACTLY the same way as you do on a single stage (just leave the turret stationary). That is, a Turret IS a single stage if you don't rotate the head.


Learning on a progressive can be done successfully, but it is easier to learn to walk in shoes than on roller skates.


Also, a good, strong, single stage press is in the stable of almost every reloader I know, no matter how many progressives they have. They always keep at least one.


Advice #4 Find a mentor.


There is no substitute for someone watching you load a few cartridges and critiquing your technique BEFORE you develop bad habits or make a dangerous mistake. (A mistake that might not have consequences right away, but maybe only after you have escaped trouble a hundred times until one day you get bit, for instance having case lube on your fingers when you handle primers; 99 times, no problem because primers are coated with a sealant, but the hundredth primer may not be perfectly sealed and now winds up "dead")


I started loading with the guy who sold me my press watching over my shoulder as I loaded my first 6 rounds to make sure I did not blow myself up, load a powderless cartridge or set off a primer in the press. I could have learned more, faster with a longer mentoring period, but I learned a lot in those first 6 rounds, as he explained each step. I educated myself after that. But now, on the internet, I have learned a WHOLE LOT MORE. But in-person is still the best.


After you have been mentored, mentor someone else. Not necessarily in loading or the shooting sports, but in SOMETHING in which you are enthusiastic and qualified. Just give back to the community.


Advice #5 Design your loading space for safety, efficiency, easse, cleanliness


Your loading bench/room is tantamount to a factory floor. There is a whole profession devoted to industrial engineering, the art and science of production design. Your loading system (layout, process steps, quality control, safety measures, etc) deserves no less attention than that.

For example, consider the word "workflow". Place your components' supplies convenient to the hand that will place them into the operation and the receptacle(s) for interim or finished products, too. You can make a significant increase in safety and in speed, too, with well thought out design of your production layout, "A" to "Z", from the lighting to the dropcloth to the fire suppression scheme.

One factor often neglected is where the scale is located. Place your scale where it is protected from drafts and vibration and is easy to read and operate, eye level, in good light, etc.


Advice #6 Keep Current on loading technology


Always use a CURRENT loading manual. Ballistic testing has produced some new knowledge over the years and powder chemistry has changed over the years, too. They make some powders differently than they used to and even some powder names may have changed. However, if you are using 10 year old powder, you may want to check a 10 year old manual for the recipe. Then double check with a modern manual and then triple check with the powder maker.


Read previous threads on reloading and watch videos available on the web. But be cautious. There is both good information and bad information found in casual sources, so see my advice #10.


Advice #7 You never regret buying the best (but once)


When you buy the very best, it hurts only once, in the wallet. When you buy too cheaply it hurts every time you use the gear. The trick is to buy good enough (on the scale between high quality and low price) to keep you happy without overpaying for features you don't need. "The delicious flavor of low price fades fast. The wretched aftertaste of poor quality lingers long."


Advice #8 Tungsten Carbide dies (or Titanium Nitride) rather than tool steel.

T-C dies instead of regular tool steel (which require lubrication for sizing your brass) for your straight-walled cartridge cases. T-C dies do not require lubrication, which will save you time. Carbide expander button for your bottlenecked cases. Keeps lube out of the inside of the cases.


Advice #9 Safety Always Safety All Ways.


Wear eye protection, especially when seating primers. Gloves are good, too, especially if using the Lee "Hammer" Tools. Children (unless they are good helpers, not just playing around) are at risk and are a risk. Pets, too unless they have been vetted (no, not that kind of vetting). Any distractions that might induce you to forget charging a case (no charge or a double charge, equally disturbing). Imagine everything that CAN go wrong. Then imagine everything that you CAN'T imagine. I could go on, but it's your eyes, your fingers, your house, your children (present of future - lead is a hazard, too. Wash after loading and don't eat at your bench). Enough said?


Advice #10 Take all with a grain of salt.

Verify for yourself everything you learn. Believe only half of what you see and one quarter of what you hear. That goes double for everything you find on the internet (with the possible exception of the actual web sites of the bullet and powder manufacturers). This advice applies to my message as much as anything else and especially to personal load recipes. Hare-brained reloaders might have dangerous habits and even an honest typographical error could be deadly. I heard about a powder manufacturer's web site that dropped a decimal point once. It was fixed REAL FAST, but mistakes happen. I work in accounting and can easily hit "7" instead of "4" because they are next to each other on the keypad.


Good luck.


Lost Sheep
 
Some questions for you

It is more efficient and cost effective to get equipment that fits your needs now and for the near/foreseeable future.

We could target our advice better if you shared some information about yourself: (What I use has no relevance to you if our needs are not similar.)

So, I have some questions for you before I can be more specific.

What calibers will you be reloading?

What quantities will you be reloading for those calibers? (Per month)

How much time will you be willing to devote to those quantities?

How large of production runs before swapping calibers?

What is your budget for the initial purchase? (Not components, just the equipment)

Will you want to get your entire setup at once or, after an initial setup that does all you need, add accessories and conveniences as your experience suggests and finances permit?

Will you be putting your gear away after each session or leave it set up permanently?

How much space will you devote permanently to a loading area, if any?

Do you want it to be portable?

What are your shooting goals? Cheap ammo? Ultimate long-range accuracy? Casual plinking, Serious competition - what kind? Cowboy Action Shooting? Strictly hunting? Personal defense? Skills development?

Lost Sheep
 
One of the falsehoods told to wives is that reloading will save money.

Yes, the cost per round can be lower. However, you will find yourself shooting more, eating up the cost savings. At the same time you can find the value of building something yourself.

Be warned, reloading is an addictive hobby. And well worth the investment.
 
Reloading to save money is probably the worst justification of misappropriated funds that has ever been. I'd have to shoot 1000rds/month for a decade to pay this crap off! This is the reason people will tell you that "you'll shoot more". It's because you have to!
Seriously though, think long and hard before starting down that long, slippery slope.
 
I'm with Lost Sheep. I get lots more out of reloading than merely saving money! There's far more to it than that. The satisfaction for me is huge. But beware, it's an addictive hobby.
 
Don't do it! Unless you have a lot of self control. The reason I started reloading, I couldn't find .44 mag ammo, if I could it was $1+/ round. Then it got to be, " Hey that is a good price on .454 dies, Hey that's good price on that .357 revolver I can reload for that." " The guy I work with has .45lc I'll load him couple hundred." He sold it couple weeks ago. Add .45lc revolver to shopping list. Can reloading save money? Yes, But don't count on it!
 
Lost Sheep summed it up pretty good, but I'll add my two cents anyways.

In pistols, I reload 9mm and .380. I can reload 9mm for about $16 per 100, and .380 about the same.

In my area, 9mm sells for about $20 per 50 rounds and .380 about $25 per 50. As you can see, that's a pretty good savings.

Now, like someone eluded too, I shoot a lot more now that I reload, so any savings is used for more components to make more rounds. It's a vicious cycle. Lol

I love reloading, it's a great hobby. It's afforded me to be able to pick up competitive shooting long range. If I didn't reload, there's no way I'd be able to afford it.

Rifle is where you really see a difference. I reload my match ammo for about .56 a round. To buy match ammo, you're looking at about $2.00 per round. Plus reloading rifle ammo, you can custom tailor your ammo to your specific rifle.

My pistol ammo is even more accurate than factory bought ammo.

Word of warning: once you start, it's addictive. Lol
 
If you shoot funky calibers you can save a bunch. I shoot .380 and can load for about 50% of retail and developed a lighter load to make a day shooting my PPK more bearable.

I load my .32 for about 35% of retail cost. Whereas I reload 9mm mostly for fun. I reload for about 65% of retail. Not really worth my time but if I have nothing better to do, I have tons of components that I bought cheap.
 
You'll just have to crunch the numbers and see if it is worth the savings to you. Also some guys view reloading as a hobby and enjoy doing it even if they are not saving money, others look at it as a chore. I load for certain rifle rounds, not to save money, but because I think I can get better ammo than what is available from the store. I don't need that level of performance from my pistol rounds.

I got into reloading after buying a 280 and 338-06. Not many options for store bought ammo with those. I no longer own either, but still load for my centerfire hunting rifles. I can still buy standard ammo from Walmart for about the same price as my reloading components cost me. But I'm loading ammo slightly faster, with better bullets and accuracy. Basically I'm loading premium ammo at budget ammo prices.

I just don't save enough on 223 or any of my pistol ammo to justify the time involved. I can use the same amount of time I spend loading 100 rounds of pistol ammo doing something else where I can earn, or save enough to purchase 400 rounds.

This past summer I put new flooring down in the house. The money I saved on labor by doing the work myself saved me more than I'd save on reloading ammo for the rest of my life. I'm retired, but picked up a part time job in Sept. working 1-3 days a week. Doing other things with my time is more efficient use of my time, putting more ammo in my guns for less money than the time spent loading them myself.
 
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