SBR glock

[TAKtical]

I would like to SBR one of my glock 17's for use with one of the Hera Arms systems. If I do, can I still carry the pistol with no stock with my ohio CHL? Also, can I still swap slides to change from 9mm to .40 or .357 sig? Im sorry if these are stupid questions, I have never really looked into getting an SBR. I have three glock 17's. An OD, an FDE, and an all black. If I can no longer carry one after it is registered as an SBR, I will definitely choose the black since it is my least favorite.

 

[crazy-mp]

As long as the gun can be changed back to its original SBR configuration you can change calibers. Typically using a NFA item for CCW, CHL (whatever your state calls it) is frowned upon, if you were ever in a situation where you used that item, it would be very apparent that the gun you used is a controlled item. It would be easy for a lawyer to paint you as a gun nut for carrying a registered NFA item for self defense. How long to you want to be without your SBR while the police do their investigation? You stated that you have 3 Glock's just use one of the other ones.

Also once your Glock is a registered SBR, if you ever want to sell it the new buyer will have to either do a form 4 or 5, unless you convert it back to a pistol and then you have wasted your 200 dollar tax stamp.

 

[TAKtical]

Thanks

 

[MasterSergeantA]

Not knowing the laws of Ohio, I would say check with the state police about carrying it. If you remove the stock, it shouldn't look like a SBR any longer and should not generate a lot of scrutiny. Even after engraving it IAW the rules, it shouldn't create a lot of concern in a righteous shooting.

So far as changing the slide to switch calibers, it is currently allowed. If you decide to permanently make a 9mm into a .40 or .357 Sig, all you need to do is let the ATF NFA branch know via a letter. That doesn't seem to be an enforceable "requirement" at present, but no sense in poking the bear more than needed. If I make a "permanent" change to a SBR, I send a copy of the Form 1 (or 4) with a short note to let ATF know.

 

[crazy-mp]

Just because its not in a SBR configuration does not mean that it is not a SBR in the ATF's eyes. I can put a 16" upper on my AR and my lower is still registered as a 11.5 inch gun.

When the law enforcement officer arrives on scene they will secure your firearm, they will most likely ask what this engraving on the gun it, at this point you have 2 options either tell them it is a registered SBR, or lie and tell tem so if its stolen you can get it back... Tough decision right?

On caliber conversions, on your form 1 if you make your own, list every caliver you can shoot on your frame. I have seen form 4's with 6 different calibers listed. Oh and if you do your own engrave the frame, not the slide. Per ATF regulations.

 

[MasterSergeantA]

Not quite. If you drop a 16" upper on the gun you can sell it as a Title I firearm to anyone legally eligible to own it. The ATF would like to know that it is no longer a SBR, but hat has no force of law behind it and is not required.

I never recommend lying...to the police or anyone else. But since there are ATF agents who don't know what the NFA requires, there are probably police officers who would think it is just your name and city engraved for ease of identification. If asked, I would explain; if not, I keep my mouth shut.

List whatever calibers you like. There is no requirement to list more than one. You can change caliber as you like; the only thing the ATF asks is that you notify them of a permanent change.

 

[TAKtical]

Im not going to carry the one that I SBR. Nice to know that I can change calibers. So what constitutes a "permanent" caliber change? The main reason I want to sbr the glock 17 is so that I can have a HD "carbine" in 357sig and still shoot 9mm at the range and in competition. Is that a bad idea?

 

[Flyincedar]

No, you cannot carry it in Ohio once you SBR it. Even without finding the ORC wording, SBR means Short Barreled Rifle... In Ohio, what you have is a CHL, or concealed HANDGUN license. It is not good for any other type of weapon, at any time. That alone makes it illegal to carry once you SBR.. Unless of course you open carry it, with Form 1 on your person. That could possibly be a way around it, but i am NOT a lawyer.

 

[MasterSergeantA]

Im not going to carry the one that I SBR. Nice to know that I can change calibers. So what constitutes a "permanent" caliber change? The main reason I want to sbr the glock 17 is so that I can have a HD "carbine" in 357sig and still shoot 9mm at the range and in competition. Is that a bad idea?

A "permanent" change is the one you decide to make...and keep. It really is that simple. If you plan to keep it in .357 Sig as the SBR, but might change it to 9mm for cheaper shooting, list it as .357 Sig. I would say if that is going to be it's principal configuration, it sounds fine. But so long as you have a 9mm barrel that you can put back into the gun, 9mm would work as well. The big key is that you can pull it out of the Hera and sell it as a handgun to anyone who might like to buy it...in whatever caliber you/they choose. ATF would like to know if you do that and they will supposedly drop the pistol from the registry, but I would let them know solely so the 'former-SBR' cannot come back to haunt you some day. If someone wanted to buy the whole SBR, federal regs and the Form 4 come into play.

Flyincedar has provided the information you need about Ohio. Lawyer or not, I would follow his advice insofar as concerns the state. I live in Arizona where we can do pretty much anything we like under the second amendment, so long as we break no federal laws.

 

[crazy-mp]

There is no requirement for the possessor of a registered NFA firearm to notify ATF that the firearm has been removed from the purview of the NFA. However, ATF recommends the possessor notify the NFA Branch of such changes in writing so that the possessor is not mistakenly identified as the owner if the firearm is later used in a crime. If, at the time of transfer, the firearm does not meet the definition of a SBR, it should be transferred without filing the NFA transfer application and without payment of the transfer tax.

-per the ATF-

 

[Prince Yamato]

You can once again go legally from pistol to title 1 carbine back again to pistol. The same is true with an sbr. If you carry the gun in pistol form, it is a pistol, sbr form, an sbr, and title 1 carbine form, a rifle.

 

[dprice3844444]

if you make one that just fits around the grip and is held on by hand pressure,not permanantly attached,your safe

 

[MasterSergeantA]

There is no requirement for the possessor of a registered NFA firearm to notify ATF that the firearm has been removed from the purview of the NFA. However, ATF recommends the possessor notify the NFA Branch of such changes in writing so that the possessor is not mistakenly identified as the owner if the firearm is later used in a crime. If, at the time of transfer, the firearm does not meet the definition of a SBR, it should be transferred without filing the NFA transfer application and without payment of the transfer tax.

-per the ATF-

That was pretty much what I meant about it "coming back to haunt you". Never a bad idea to include ATF in your plans...unless you are being a bad guy.

 

[BLAKEinTX]

I thought about taking one of those stocks and registering it as the SBR instead of the pistol but havent gotten around to doing it also not sure if the ATF would like that but idk

 

[MasterSergeantA]

I don't think you can do that. Since the Hera has no serial number, the pistol is the part that gets the engraving and it is the combination of the two (stock and pistol) that IS the SBR. I believe you used to be able to engrave your information on the barrel of an AR-based SBR; don't know if that is still the rule. If it is, you might be able to engrave the Glock barrel, but I think the Hera is a no-no.