SBR's and the silly NFA

[cchurchi]

So I own a Bushmaster carbon 15 rifle and a carbon 15 pistol. When trying to decide which one to convert to a short barreled rifle, it suddenly hit me how stupid the national firearms act is.

By converting the rifle, I am taking a firearm and making it:
Less accurate by decreasing the barrel length,
Less powerful by decreasing the barrel length BUT,
More concealable by decreasing the barrel length.
So, I guess I am paying the $200 tax and going through the paperwork hastle to make a gun more concealable, right? Not if I convert the pistol!

By converting the pistol, I am taking a firearm and making it:
Less concealable by adding a butt stock and increasing its overall length,
More accurate by adding a butt stock to steady my aim and,
No change in the power of the firearm.
So, I guess I am paying the $200 tax and going through the paperwork hastle to make a gun more accurate, right? How much sense does that make?

Well, I ended up converting and registering the pistol. Now everytime I go to the range, some yahoo says I have an illegal gun requiring me to explain the laws and showing them my form 1 and tax stamp. All just to have a slightly more accurate pistol. What's next, registering Trijicon night sights???

 

[TexasRifleman]

Well, I ended up converting and registering the pistol. Now everytime I go to the range, some yahoo says I have an illegal gun requiring me to explain the laws and showing them my form 1 and tax stamp

Yeah it is kind of insane. Like I said in another thread, trying to apply logic to the NFA will just make your head hurt.

I get the "you can't have that" all the time but I refuse to show anyone my Form 1 unless they are an LEO. That is a tax document and I'm not showing my tax forms to anyone without a REALLY good reason

Usually I just tell people to mind their own business, but I am kind of a jerk anyway LOL.

 

[v35]

What's next, registering Trijicon night sights?

Perhaps. I'm still confused about this post but I don't want to appear ignorant by asking why. I think the answer would be "that's just the way it is - get used to it". Guess I'm trying to make sense of something nonsensical.

 

[ClickClickD'oh]

. Now everytime I go to the range, some yahoo says I have an illegal gun requiring me to explain the laws and showing them my form 1 and tax stamp.

I get that when ever I use my not illegal at all, not restricted at all, perfectly above the board AK pistol.

I've begun to believe that there are people that think everything that isn't chambered in 30.06 and bolt action is somehow against a law somewhere.

 

[Zundfolge]

Now everytime I go to the range, some yahoo says I have an illegal gun requiring me to explain the laws and showing them my form 1 and tax stamp.

Well at least you're in a position to educate more gun owners.

 

[Crunker1337]

"everything that isn't chambered in 30.06 and bolt action is somehow against a law somewhere."

If some politicians had their way, that's how it would be.

 

[AJ Dual]

The whole point of the SBR and SBS was that the original draft of the '34 NFA was going to try and classify ALL HANDGUNS as NFA items, subject to the same tax and restrictions as MG's, DD's, and suppressors.

The SBS and SBR portions where in there to prevent people from cutting down non-NFA long guns to make "handguns". When it was decided that was too extreme and would guarantee the NFA's failure to pass, the handguns were dropped. Since a couple of notorious criminal gangs liked a couple of sawed-off rifles and shotguns, the SBS and SBR portions of the NFA remained.

 

[Owen Sparks]

The National Firearms Act of 1934 was in reaction to the infamous and highly sensationalized St.Valintines day massacre that happened five years earlier This legislation was aimed primarily at the two types of firearms involved. Two Thompson submachine guns and a 12 ga double that had been sawed off and had the stock reduced to the configuration of a pistol. The newly elected Democratic president and congress wanted to make it look like they were doing something about orginized crime. The Thompson had a removable buttstock and a short 10" barrel as well as selective fire capabilities so there features were targeted.

 

[Owen Sparks]

The National Firearms Act of 1934 was in reaction to the infamous and highly sensationalized St.Valintines day massacre that happened five years earlier This legislation was aimed primarily at the two types of firearms involved. Two Thompson submachine guns and a 12 ga double that had been sawed off and had the stock reduced to the configuration of a pistol. The newly elected Democratic president and congress wanted to make it look like they were doing something about orginized crime. The Thompson had a removable buttstock and a short 10" barrel as well as selective fire capabilities so there features were targeted.

 

[Zach S]

The National Firearms Act of 1934 was in reaction to the infamous and highly sensationalized St.Valintines day massacre that happened five years earlier

Nope. With the end of prohibition in '33 there were more than a few US gonvernment employees that would have been out of work when the economy was still shaky. So they put a $200 tax on $100 firearm, and of course the Treasury agents kept their jobs enforcing the new law.

Just one theory...

 

[Sistema1927]

The NFA, making criminals out of law abiding citizens since 1934.

 

[MachIVshooter]

"everything that isn't chambered in 30.06 and bolt action is somehow against a law somewhere."

If some politicians had their way, that's how it would be.

NO way they'd allow that; .30-06 is armor piercing

They'd all be in .22 Short. And single shot. And you'd have to unlock it before each round could be fired. And the key would have to be retrieved from a safe that is kept at the range. And the ATF would have to be notified each time that safe was opened. And each cartridge would be encoded with a serial number. And each box would have a serial number range and require a background check for purchase. And each approval for each box of ammo would be logged in the NCIC database. And there would be a 300% tax on that box of ammunition.

You would also need 6 forms of photo ID (ATF approved) before the process could even begin.

 

[PTK]

I explain the whole NFA/form 1/form 4 thing to at least one person almost every time I go to the range.



Of course, I'm usually shooting a suppressed SBR, or my "Mad Max" shotgun. "D