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Saw a demo (non-firing) of the SCAR at the NRA Annual Meeting last weekend, and I can tell you it is the cat's meow. I won't try to sell it for them, but if I can scratch up $2500 I'm getting one (sticker is ~ $2995 but he said they can be had for 25)). The barrel is guaranteed to 1 minute of angle for 25,000 rounds and has been tested to 35,000 - and out of a slender, non-heavy barrel. The FN guy broke it down, including the bolt assembly in about 12 seconds, and put it back together in very little more. I don't shill for anyone, but FN has got this one engineered. One of the development guys is a retired Marine LtCol and he made sure it was "Marine proof" (no disparagement intended, they were quick to note ;) ) This one was 5.56, but 7.62x51 are beginning to ship this week, and that's the one I want to see. I may be able to afford one of these, and my heart's with the 7.62. Will have to wait till they hit the streets...
 
I checked one out at the local gun shop a couple months ago and liked the compactness.
I did not like the extensive use of plastics or the high price. I imagine the next gen battle rifles will look a lot like this rifle though.
 
i'd be very surprised if they were guaranteed 1moa.

however, they are quite nice and i would like to have one, but it's not in the budget at the moment.
 
Even if its not exactly 1 moa its still a very accurate rifle from everything I've read. Disadvantage though is you need a special tool to convert it to a new caliber, but I guess thats not worse than having to carry a hex key for an XCR.
The barrel life is what entices me. Although I'm still partial to bullpup's for future options to replace the standard issue rifle.
 
Shot one last week (in return, I let the owner shoot my FS2000). I liked it a lot. Recoil felt like a soft shooting rifle gas system AR. Handled like a carbine. Came with good iron sights. If you're a plastic hater, you won't like it. Personally, I added it to my buy list.
 
I'd be a lot more excited about the SCAR if it didn't have that reciprocating charging handle. I believe it might have been required by SOCOM, but I don't see any advantage compared to a FAL-type design. Personally I prefer the Bushmaster ACR for just that reason, but I think both are too expensive.
 
Maybe if it catches on and can prove itself a better choice over something from the M4gery market I may get one. But, this would require it to be lowered in price....ALOT.

I don't see a heavy carbine being worth that much money.

I personally don't see it taking off anywhere - not even in SOCOM. I believe the contract was never enacted after being approved like 6 months ago, correct? That says something to me.
 
I personally don't see it taking off anywhere - not even in SOCOM. I believe the contract was never enacted after being approved like 6 months ago, correct? That says something to me.

Army Rangers and Navy SEALs started getting the SCARs this year. Prior to that only Army Special Forces was using them.


US Army Rangers with FN Mk 16 Mod 0 (SCAR-L)
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US Army Rangers with FN Mk 17 Mod 0 (SCAR-H)
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US Navy SEAL with FN Mk 16 Mod 0 (SCAR-L)
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US Army Special Forces with Mk 17 Mod 0 (SCAR-H)
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Scars can shoot without fail when taken out of water . Ar15s can't. HK416s are nice but I think they are way higher than a scar.
 
Do they even make a civilian version of the HK416? I'd love to get one of those, but my budget mandates the best piston-driven AR I'd ever be able to afford is the Stag M8.
 
Nick5182 said:
Do they even make a civilian version of the HK416? I'd love to get one of those, but my budget mandates the best piston-driven AR I'd ever be able to afford is the Stag M8.
Yes.
The H&K MR223 is currently available in the EU and in Canada.
The H&K MR556 has not been released in the USA. Projected release time frame is Q4 2010. MSRP is $2995.
 
A couple of my buddies are employed by FN as test shooters. Both guys are very knowledgeable individuals. The 5.56 SCAR is liked, but the 7.62 version is admired. :)
 
Do they even make a civilian version of the HK416? I'd love to get one of those, but my budget mandates the best piston-driven AR I'd ever be able to afford is the Stag M8.

Yeah you can:
http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/HK-416-10-4-Upper-LAST-ONE-14p962.htm

$4k and you have to SBR it.

I like the SCAR a lot, I think its the most interesting military rifle to come along since the M16. I plan on buying one in 7.62.
 
SCAR.
I can tell you it is the cat's meow.
I can tell you that it's not. The thing feels like a cheap Mattel toy in hand. And it's fugly. Totally unimpressed. You can get it for $2500 all day long around here. And to me, that's $1000 too much.
 
I can tell you that it's not. The thing feels like a cheap Mattel toy in hand. And it's fugly. Totally unimpressed.

That is exactly what we said in 1967, when they issued the M16 to replace our M14's.

The only difference of substance between then and now, that I can see, is that the SCAR has not cost any American lives or wounded directly attributable to some failure of the rifle to my knowledge. I know from personal experience that the M16 did.

I like my SCAR.

Go figure.

Fred
 
I can tell you that it's not. The thing feels like a cheap Mattel toy in hand. And it's fugly. Totally unimpressed. You can get it for $2500 all day long around here. And to me, that's $1000 too much.

Compared to a proper rifle like an FN49 or Garand yeah. Compared to an AR or G36 not so much.

The SCAR has been field tested a lot more than the M16 ever was.
 
what's with the woodland camo in that last pic?

Multicam. The guys who go out on missions have been wearing it for a little while now in Afghanistan. The guys that work on the camp still wear ACUs.
 
i have to wonder why armalite (the first generation) couldn't move the AR 18. chrome gas piston, bolt and bbl bore, plenty of room in the reciever for crud to get outta the way. very little BCG contact with receiver during cycling. twin short stroke guide rod mounted recoil springs (think M3). field strips faster than any other GP systems i have handled. two stage, flip over sights, calibrated for real world ranges. good QD optic system. about 2" @ 100, with any decent M 193 ammo. near MOA, with quality ammo and issue 2.75X optic onboard. bud-o-mine who did 3 green beret tours in 'nam said same were highly favored over '16's by boots on the ground SF.

i will concede the folding stock and the action hinge bosses would need beefed before issue, and that the action pins are best replaced with anti-walk "E" clip units. i feel the same about AR 15 pins, though. but most any system will undergo changes before (and after) being accepted.

back then the tool steel (4340) sheet metal reciever and lower drew a lot of friendly fire from M15/16 purists. today's lowers are plastic. the reduced accuracy from looser BCG tolerances were also sited as unacceptable. but the unaltered M14's now used in the sand work quite well with similar capabilities.

a thought voiced from many of our troops returning from the sand is that kalashnikov's sloppy old AK's still go bang, even when neglected like a red headed step child by undertrained/undersupplied alpha romeos. suddenly, ole mikhail starts looking a lot smarter than when first viewed.

one has to take into consideration that the very loosely spec'd old M3 was the onliest SMG to ever pass the aberdeen proving ground's "mud, blood and crud" test. i will not argue that precise wartoys are needed in every unit, but the designated marksman position was created to fill that need. still, i feel 2X per unit would be more desirable.

as it stands now, the troops need a reliable weapon that can be made as short as a 14" M4 for entry/exit of vehicles, but without the velocity stealing short BBL that is now very problematic with the 5.56 round. they also need better accuracy than a typical 4MOA AK, but similar dependability.

IMO, a fairly accurate system that always goes bang trumps a superbly accurate system that fails to when NEEDED badly. at the astronomical costs of the iron currently being eyed to replace stoner's venerable '16, i think this weapon is still viable.

i confessed, and stand convicted of first degree thread robbery, and will now throw myself on the mercy of the court....

gunnie
 
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happygeek, that's not multicam. it's woodland. it looks like vintage 80s garb
 
I have to wonder why armalite (the first generation) couldn't move the AR 18. chrome gas piston, bolt and bbl bore, plenty of room in the reciever for crud to get outta the way. very little BCG contact with receiver during cycling. twin short stroke guide rod mounted recoil springs (think M3). field strips faster than any other GP systems i have handled. two stage, flip over sights, calibrated for real world ranges. good QD optic system. about 2" @ 100, with any decent M 193 ammo. near MOA, with quality ammo and issue 2.75X optic onboard. bud-o-mine who did 3 green beret tours in 'nam said same were highly favored over '16's by boots on the ground SF.
I know the answer to that (we had just recently adopted the M16 platform), but often wonder why others (more than just Ireland) didn't adopt it later on. I also wonder why Australia (and the rest of the civilized world) didn't adopt the Armstech M17 (which spawned the Bushmaster M17s), it used an operating system borrowed from the AR-18, and from first hand experience I can tell you it is one of the most robust, reliable, compact, and accurate systems that I have laid hands on.

:)
 
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