burningsquirrels
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gotta remember he's an assassin, not a CCW... so the way he carries is obviously different than one for a LEO or CCW/self defense would.
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Erik: I'm just saying that the way he is using it, and the way he demonstrates it the second time, he might as well have his hand in his pocket. If you call that deep concealment, fine. Most of us are capable of similar times starting with our hand on the gun . His approach is an offensive approach. Anybody can walk up to anybody, pull a gun out an shoot him in the head before the target can react. So what is so impressive about that? I don't know what rig Todd Jarrett was using when he did his draws that you mentioned. I thought he was shooting from a concealed carry. Rereading the post, I see that you didn't say that. But heck, I have video of me shooting from concealed carry (under a sweatshirt) in .66 seconds and no one has heard of me either. The drill is actually two double taps (or more correctly, hammers) into two targets in under 2 seconds from a surrender position with a concealed firearm and reacting to a timer, not self initiated.
(My best time was 1.57; my average is 1.8). Big deal.
(My best time was 1.57; my average is 1.8). Big deal.
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Guys,
Most of us in this forum use our toys for sport and only in the gravest extreme will we have to use them for personal defense.
The subject of the video is an assassin, a mighty good example of the breed if I may add. He eats, drinks, sleeps...lives to kill people. His gun is a tool that he has mastered the use of, and carries it in his crotch
The vast majority of us do not live in his world and we will never understand.
Having originally come from that country, I can honestly say there are people who have that "talent". Not talking IPSC, SASS, Cowboy competition talent here.......but Wyatt Earp, Wild Bill, Jesse James gunslinger stuff. Fifteen yrs ago, there were still some areas that can rival Dodge City (I'm exaggerating but you get the idea).
I learned from mutual acquaintances that a gentleman I once knew, bless his soul, was occasionally tapped by the law, i.e. intelligence operatives, to do their handiwork because he had the gift of exceptionally incredible speed and accuracy....real live moving targets here...no Bianchi set-ups. He would deliver the ransom money in an attache case and to the surprise of the kidnappers, well, the result would always be a shut-out in favor of this somebody.
BTW, this gentleman never talked about his exploits, but he'd often demo his skill with his air rifle: quickly pointing from the hip, he would shoot and drop a lizard from the ceiling (...we had those creepy lizards and cockroaches too) No visible damage to the lizard...he said to drop a lizard, you must hit it right at the tip of its nose. I am relieved we are on the same side of the law.
O yes, these men are quiet, unassuming, and nondescript, with one amazing talent and the willingness to use it
Most of us in this forum use our toys for sport and only in the gravest extreme will we have to use them for personal defense.
The subject of the video is an assassin, a mighty good example of the breed if I may add. He eats, drinks, sleeps...lives to kill people. His gun is a tool that he has mastered the use of, and carries it in his crotch
The vast majority of us do not live in his world and we will never understand.Having originally come from that country, I can honestly say there are people who have that "talent". Not talking IPSC, SASS, Cowboy competition talent here.......but Wyatt Earp, Wild Bill, Jesse James gunslinger stuff. Fifteen yrs ago, there were still some areas that can rival Dodge City (I'm exaggerating but you get the idea).
I learned from mutual acquaintances that a gentleman I once knew, bless his soul, was occasionally tapped by the law, i.e. intelligence operatives, to do their handiwork because he had the gift of exceptionally incredible speed and accuracy....real live moving targets here...no Bianchi set-ups. He would deliver the ransom money in an attache case and to the surprise of the kidnappers, well, the result would always be a shut-out in favor of this somebody
. BTW, this gentleman never talked about his exploits, but he'd often demo his skill with his air rifle: quickly pointing from the hip, he would shoot and drop a lizard from the ceiling (...we had those creepy lizards and cockroaches too
) No visible damage to the lizard...he said to drop a lizard, you must hit it right at the tip of its nose. I am relieved we are on the same side of the law.O yes, these men are quiet, unassuming, and nondescript, with one amazing talent and the willingness to use it
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jerry miculek might be faster,but how many people has he killed compaired to this guy?
burningsquirrels
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exactly. top ipsc shooters can be faster from their race rigs, but this guy can kill them all anywhere, any time. he is the master of a different trade.
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Jerry Miculek's speed records are not from the holster. Bob Munden on the other hand...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH0KrlH1yhU
One episode of Shooting USA or American Shooter had Bob doing three shots which looked like the two in the video. Add, what, .02 seconds for concealed?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH0KrlH1yhU
One episode of Shooting USA or American Shooter had Bob doing three shots which looked like the two in the video. Add, what, .02 seconds for concealed?
burningsquirrels
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holy. crap.
Gentlemen, skill is skill. Remember that according to the video about the hitman, it was declassified several years ago by law enforcement. There are actually people out there that do this for real with permanent results. It seems that you are comparing a Roman gladiator to an Olympic boxer.
1st vid
the "hitman" is holding the weapon with his left hand, by the muzzle or slide with his hand inside his pocket.Since he is wearing sweats, he can even just grab the weapon from the outside.
The narrator says he drops it iside the underwear (shorts), so it wouldn't slide down into his pants. He pokes it up past his waistband about 3 inches, so the grip is fully exposed, and ready to grab.
Intersting.
the "hitman" is holding the weapon with his left hand, by the muzzle or slide with his hand inside his pocket.Since he is wearing sweats, he can even just grab the weapon from the outside.
The narrator says he drops it iside the underwear (shorts), so it wouldn't slide down into his pants. He pokes it up past his waistband about 3 inches, so the grip is fully exposed, and ready to grab.
Intersting.
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This assassin does not even fall in this category because he is hitting defenseless people that have no idea he is stalking them. Are we going to talk about how much skill those guys at Columbine or VaTech had because those guys killed a lot of defenseless people? Big deal. I'm not impressed. If he was taking out armed adversaries that had the drop on him, that would be different. This guy was a killer, not a gunfighter.
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Totally agree. Cowardly assassin/killer, not gunfighter.
However, Original Poster was commenting on carry technique/style, skill and speed of draw...not the shooter's, morals, ethics, or choice of occupation
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What does it matter was JM or TJ or any other professional shooter can do compared to this professional hitman? Some of y'all are just plain silly.
For the sake of argument, I am fairly certain this hitman could take ANY other professional shooter just fine and dandy. Why? Because his craft is all about the ambush. JM, TJ, and the others could no more defend against being shot by this guy than you or me. Ambushing is all about the element of surprise.
For the sake of argument, I am fairly certain this hitman could take ANY other professional shooter just fine and dandy. Why? Because his craft is all about the ambush. JM, TJ, and the others could no more defend against being shot by this guy than you or me. Ambushing is all about the element of surprise.
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Exactly. So drawing from the pocket is just as fast and just as surprising for a target that has no idea he is about to get ambushed.
Have any of you tried his technique? I did. Yes, it works for an assassin (and is not practical in any other type of application) and is easy to master with very little practice. But even .66 seconds from a concealed all day type carry is going to be fast enough to ambush the unsuspecting. I repeat, I'm not impressed.
Actually, it is very similar to what some SmartCarry and Thunderwear proponents have worked out for themselves. Some of the "pop-up" holster folks, too.
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I'd be interested to see videos of forum member making sub-second head shots under any circumstances.
Very interested to see the same at under a half-second.
Clocks starting at movement, not buzzer.
I will declare you impressive no matter your occupation, morals, religion, ethics, or complete lack there-of. If necessary, I dedicate myself to ranking the impressive. Perhaps in its own thread. Hmmm.
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I'd be interested to see videos of forum member making sub-second head shots under any circumstances.
Very interested to see the same at under a half-second.
Clocks starting at movement, not buzzer.
I will declare you impressive no matter your occupation, morals, religion, ethics, or complete lack there-of. If necessary, I dedicate myself to ranking the impressive. Perhaps in its own thread. Hmmm.
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The Sparrows were a smallish squad (a few hundred at their height) within the New Peoples Army (NPA) of the Phillipines during the fight against the Marcos dictatorship. This was during the decades the U.S. supported Marcos. The PDA waged a long guerrilla war against the dictator.
Not all the members of the Sparrows were highly trained. Many members were chosen from the ranks of the NPA because they were young, unknown and could get closer to their targets than older more well known members or organizers.
The NPA was originally founded by the Communist Party of the Phillipines, if I remember right, in the 1970s but became broader than the CP over the years. The NPA had no significant source of arms other than to get them from the Phillipine army or on the black market. They did not get arms from the Soviet Union directly. They were usually short of arms.
The Sparrows were called this because the idea was to swoop in as fast as a sparrow, do the job and get out. The carried out assassinations, acquired weapons, etc.
As is often the case with units like this there was always concern from the PDA about their targets and who was giving the orders and the political discipline that they followed. They were supposed to leave everyday policemen alone and focus on the army and selected targets.
tipoc
Not all the members of the Sparrows were highly trained. Many members were chosen from the ranks of the NPA because they were young, unknown and could get closer to their targets than older more well known members or organizers.
The NPA was originally founded by the Communist Party of the Phillipines, if I remember right, in the 1970s but became broader than the CP over the years. The NPA had no significant source of arms other than to get them from the Phillipine army or on the black market. They did not get arms from the Soviet Union directly. They were usually short of arms.
The Sparrows were called this because the idea was to swoop in as fast as a sparrow, do the job and get out. The carried out assassinations, acquired weapons, etc.
As is often the case with units like this there was always concern from the PDA about their targets and who was giving the orders and the political discipline that they followed. They were supposed to leave everyday policemen alone and focus on the army and selected targets.
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well, tried it with a old deactivated pellet gun, the gun weighs quite a bit, and is all steal, resembles a 1911.
i can do it pretty fast, i dont think as fast as this guy but quite fast its not all the hard just walking and anysort of fast movement lowers the gun making it more difficult to reach significanly increasing the speed it takes to reach it.
i can do it pretty fast, i dont think as fast as this guy but quite fast its not all the hard just walking and anysort of fast movement lowers the gun making it more difficult to reach significanly increasing the speed it takes to reach it.
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Damn that guy was fast.
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I guess I go into condition red,next time I see a Philipino dude approaching me with his hand in his pocket!
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That is nice and all, but Bob Munden isn't killing people for a living.
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Sounds like that Philipino assassin is pushin up daisies.Aint too awful quick now I bet!Probably went up against someone that had more than one round in his pistol.
I think the best thing to take away from this thread is that a little practice daily will help you when you need it.
I've started practicing draws and reloads with an empty gun and empty mags while i watch TV. If it's second nature to you, you'll be prepared should the time come.
(I make sure that NO mags are accessible with ammo in them. To do otherwise would be foolish)
I've started practicing draws and reloads with an empty gun and empty mags while i watch TV. If it's second nature to you, you'll be prepared should the time come.
(I make sure that NO mags are accessible with ammo in them. To do otherwise would be foolish)
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