Schoolboard gone crazy - Expelling kid for turnin in a deadly (BB) gun he found

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http://cbs2chicago.com/local/local_story_348001946.html

Notice how they keep calling the pellet gun a "gun" that could kill. Ok, technically it's possible but I mean come on. Drama anyone? The kid did the right thing.





Btw, just in case anyone here wants to inform the school how retarded they are...

info found via digg:

[email protected] - Principal
[email protected] - Assistant Principal

front office at the school:
(815) 230-9920

mods if contact info isn't kosher feel free to do whatever. They probably already have an earful but whatever, it was already up on digg. Digg is a bit left leaning so I couldn't resist posting it here.
 
I emailed both of these idiots. I told them that if they discovered that the kid had seen the pellet gun in the rest room, and did not turn it in, they would have expelled him for that. I'm sure they would have.

They are breathing too many Oprah/Chicago fumes, out there in Plainfield.

Gee, you don't think the kid's being black had anything to do with it, do you ?

I hope his parents sue their brains out. :fire:
 
I don't think there is enough information to make a good decision about this one. Finding it in the restroom is a good excuse for having a lot of things. What was the "short" time before he turned it in? Why did he turn it in after keeping it for a short time? Why did he turn it in? Did someone threaten to turn him in for having it and he turned it in first to keep out of trouble? Something just seems wrong about the story to me.

My daughter is taught to never pick up a gun but leave it lay and sent someone to get an adult while keeping a eye on it. But then I do understand that young men that have not been around guns can become fascinated with them and maybe do some dumb things. So maybe he did find it in the bathroom. Still think not enough known yet to make a good decision.
 
"Finding it in the restroom is a good excuse for having a lot of things. What was the "short" time before he turned it in? Why did he turn it in after keeping it for a short time? Why did he turn it in? Did someone threaten to turn him in for having it and he turned it in first to keep out of trouble?"

Oh give the poor kid the benefit of the doubt, for crap's sake. Its a friggin' pellet gun anyway. Conducting the whole friggin' kangaroo court over some ridiculous, imagined problem that didn't actually occur is absurd and unnecessary.

Leave it the hell alone, nobody needs to beat this one about the head and shoulders with their rhetoric and legalistic crap. Let it go.
 
Low_Sci...Taking part of a comment and taking it out of context is not a good way to make a point. But I take it you believe we should just bury our head in the sand and not look into it? Just take the article at its word? You are not very clear to me what you are trying to say. Care to enlighten me?
 
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"Finding it in the restroom is a good excuse for having a lot of things. What was the "short" time before he turned it in? Why did he turn it in after keeping it for a short time? Why did he turn it in? Did someone threaten to turn him in for having it and he turned it in first to keep out of trouble?"
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Are you incinuating that the boy may have brought the gun to school? Nothing in that article suggested any thing of the nature. What ever happened to being innocent till proven guilty? How is it the boys' responsibility to prove he did not bring it to school? He says he found it, he turned it in, no one came forward to dispute him (refering to these people you are suggesting exist that threatended him). Case closed. The principal and vp are idiots. Plain and simple, idiots. Its disguting.:barf:
 
The boy did the right thing and brought it to the assistant principal, the admin and police investigated, found the real culprit, and arrested him.

The boy who found the gun wasn't complicit in ANY way in the bringing of the BB gun to school. He's being expelled for bringing it to an administrator, which is asinine.
 
Zero tolerance = zero thinking. I expect things to get worse and worse in the government education system.
 
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Does anyone still wonder why our schools are turning out kids that are not too smart. If these are the idiots that are running the schools it seams to explain a lot.
 
When your kids rach high school age they will tell you somethinglike 'training young adults etc...." but they will still not allow a kid to have two Tylenol or Motrin. ZERO tolerance I guess. I dont know when a kid was expelled for cigarettes but Tylenol yes. I always wrote a comment about the training "to be adults" on the information/pemission sheet sent home. Never ghad a question from the principal-he kenw I had made him.
 
Its amazing how stupid this country's "educational" institutions can be these days. Im so glad im out of high school.

This artice just made me think of the time i accidently brought my pocket knife to preschool, just alittle 3 blade case that i used to whittle on sticks with, it fell out my my pocket on the playground(i forgot i had it) and a teacher happened to see it, pick it up and ask me if it was mine. Of course i said yes and walked over and put my hand out expecting to get it back...i still dont see what the big problem was:confused:
 
ZERO TOLERANCE....

perhaps I should have started a new thread on the subject but the phrase in the thread "zero tolerance" reminded me of an incident at the local grammar school. I got a call at my office to come to school and pick up my son who was expelled. Got to the school and found my son in the principals office with some dritzy lady counselor. Everyone was quite serious and angry looking. I asked what had happened and was told my son had punched a fellow student in the nose. I asked him (my son) is this true? He said it was. I asked how it happened and the principal interrupted to say it didn't matter how it happened they had a zero tolerance for fighting. I glanced at the pompous ass and he shut up and I again asked my son how it happened. It seem that on the playgound that morning the local grammar school bully had pushed him down on the gravel, sat on his chest and was choking him. He then punched the boy in the nose, got up and walked away. I asked the principal if this was the story they had also and he agreed. I then reached across the desk and took the principal by the hand ( he thought we were shaking hands ) and started dragging him out of his office. He protested and asked what I was doing and I told him we were going out into the playground, I was going to knock him down, sit on his chest and begin choking him to see how long it would take him to punch me in the nose. The expulsion was reduced to a one day suspension and I took my son to the local pizza parlor to celebrate his unexpected one day vacation after which we went to the range and shot some plates. He was eleven years old. What crap and this was over ten years ago.
 
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Does anyone still wonder why our schools are turning out kids that are not too smart. If these are the idiots that are running the schools it seams to explain a lot.
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I am not surprised. Sometimes all I can do is shake my head at the knuckleheadedness of bureaucracy.
 
Punishing a kid for doing something decent is..well... disgusting. I can only hope the school board fires the parties responsible and apologizes to the kid for doing something honorable. :banghead:
 
I would like to know what the offense is here. He *found* it and turned it in.
 
My point is that there's an imagined offense here. Unless you have some good reason not to, you should take the kid at his word. You don't grill him for doing the right thing.

We should assume he's innocent unless there's reason to believe he's guilty of something, not that he's guilty until there's reason to believe he's innocent.

And its just a pellet gun. The whole thing has already been blown drastically out of proportion.
 
With this action, it is perfectly understandable why all the kids at Columbine clamed up and allowed D & K to shoot up the place.

When the next Columbine happens this Spring, we will discover that kids knew about what was coming and again the morons at the school will ask "why didn't anyone come forward?"
 
Just take the article at its word?
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Excellent point, Clt. If Low-Sci ever has a chance to read a newspaper article or watch a TV report about some incident in which he was himself involved and has personal knowledge, he will realize that there is usually much, much more to a story than was reported... like the truth. And I'm not just talking about simple errors like misspelled names either. There's no telling what really transpired with that pellet gun. I reserve judgment myself.
 
"...he will realize that there is usually much, much more to a story than was reported."

See, I get that, but what I'm also getting is that despite the fact that the story isn't complete, nobody was harmed.

I'm of the mind that since there was no harm, there's no foul here. There was a time when the presence of hunting rifles in a classroom was perfectly fine, but now we're a society so panic-stricken at the sight of so much as a pellet gun anywhere near a school that we just can't bring ourselves to behave reasonably.

I'm also not completely convinced that the news story has everything wrong. Details are often omitted, but nobody has shown me that the story is factually flawed, and the idea that this kid actually had some criminal motive is totally unfounded. Prove it and I'll believe it. Until you have, I say lets not play the "guilty until proven innocent" game.
 
This was clearly a missed opportunity to make Ryan a hero....but no...the administrators reacted emotionally insstead of rationally and completely lost an chance to teach what to do about a weapon found in school or anywhere.

Edie Eagle should......oh, nevermind! There's too may nasty possibilities!
 
:cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: morons, he finds a gun, a PELLET gun, and sure, he kept it for a bit, but then he turned it in. he did the RIGHT thing, and now he's getting punished for it. are you kidding me? stuff like this just makes you wonder how the hell did the world get so dumb
 
How can educators and administrators hope to teach thinking skills when they have none themselves.

In order to teach you must be able to do. In order to do you must be able to learn.

This chain broke down for them somewhere along the way.:fire:

edit: I also emailed them both--twice from two different accounts. :D
 
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