mesinge2
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Schools anti-NRA?
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armoredman
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We are missing some things, like what specifics on the crime, what was actually said/done. Class room full of witnesses, all underage.
If the police were called because the kid refused to change into a gym shirt, (usual action for an offensive shirt), or turn it inside out, then they probably ordered him to the principals office, which would of course escalate with an angry 14 year old. I would really like to know what transpired to call the police...and if my son's school called PD for this reason, I would own them, lock stock and gym socks.
If the police were called because the kid refused to change into a gym shirt, (usual action for an offensive shirt), or turn it inside out, then they probably ordered him to the principals office, which would of course escalate with an angry 14 year old. I would really like to know what transpired to call the police...and if my son's school called PD for this reason, I would own them, lock stock and gym socks.
Shadow 7D
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Read it again, reports say, the kid was calm
Uncle Richard
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What were the two charges against the young man?
USAF_Vet
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I'll be digging up my NRA hat to wear on Sunday at my kids' school function.
Hell, I might even open carry.
Hell, I might even open carry.
armoredman
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The school is a government institution, funded by tax dollars and technically open to the public. Children are required upon pain of arrest to attend these schools until a certain age is reached. This changes things slightly.
Nobody is forced to post/read THR. My child is forced to go to public school - I can't afford private school nor can I home school him at this point. So he MUST go to this school.
I see pictures from schools who tore down the US flag and raised the flag of a foreign nation instead, and nothing was done. I read reports of s child sent home for wearing a t-shirt that shows an American flag, and now this.
The only t-shirts I couldn't wear in high school were ones with swear words, or ones deemed as offensive by admin under certain guidelines. Having read the school's criteria on another story, it appears that it was not a prohibited item, though I would hazard a guess that an emergency meeting of the school board will make sure anything relating to guns/firearms/Bill of Rights/NRA/Second Amendment will be added as "offensive".
I doubt that kid wore that shirt because his dad forced him to do so.
The school is a government institution, funded by tax dollars and technically open to the public. Children are required upon pain of arrest to attend these schools until a certain age is reached. This changes things slightly.
Nobody is forced to post/read THR. My child is forced to go to public school - I can't afford private school nor can I home school him at this point. So he MUST go to this school.
I see pictures from schools who tore down the US flag and raised the flag of a foreign nation instead, and nothing was done. I read reports of s child sent home for wearing a t-shirt that shows an American flag, and now this.
The only t-shirts I couldn't wear in high school were ones with swear words, or ones deemed as offensive by admin under certain guidelines. Having read the school's criteria on another story, it appears that it was not a prohibited item, though I would hazard a guess that an emergency meeting of the school board will make sure anything relating to guns/firearms/Bill of Rights/NRA/Second Amendment will be added as "offensive".
Fascinating - so we are crazy for being NRA members, is that what you said? Or are we crazy for letting our children wear clothes of their choosing that promotes something they believe it in that has nothing defined in law as pornographic or illegal? Kids wear shirts all the time promoting things that are not in school, from Tinkerbell to Maroon 5, shall we send them home, too?
I doubt that kid wore that shirt because his dad forced him to do so.
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Sam1911
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I'll vote for "if I had a shirt that DIDN'T have guns on it when I was in school, I can't recall..." 
First it is imperative that the ACTUAL events are understood, and the ACTUAL charges are made clear. We do ourselves a disservice when we automatically flock to the defense of folks who turn out to have been clearly in the wrong, and that -- unfortunately -- happens fairly frequently.
(However, nothing so far indicates that this actually IS the case here.)
If not, this is a grand opportunity for the young man to really get something out of his education -- like a fat settlement! May flights of angels bring to him better lawyers than the school district has!
First it is imperative that the ACTUAL events are understood, and the ACTUAL charges are made clear. We do ourselves a disservice when we automatically flock to the defense of folks who turn out to have been clearly in the wrong, and that -- unfortunately -- happens fairly frequently.
(However, nothing so far indicates that this actually IS the case here.)
If not, this is a grand opportunity for the young man to really get something out of his education -- like a fat settlement!
May flights of angels bring to him better lawyers than the school district has!InkEd
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ACLU and NRA need to get involved in this one. Lawsuit time!
we are not amused
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And your point is?
I have seen shirts with a lot worse on it, (and as a Christian, I understand the difference between war and murder, although I understand many atheist don't) and it is generally considered "Free speech", you know, the whole First Amendment thing!
Jframe is correct, I have seen the T-shirts he described in schools, and the kids wearing them weren't being sent to the office.
If no distractions in school was a good policy, we would ban good looking girls from classes or make them wear burkas!
Wait, strike that last one, no sense giving the fascist running the schools any ideas.
Anything students wear or do at school that causes a disruption are not allowed. It has always been this way, nothing new here. When I was in school during he 60's and 70's I would have been suspended for wearing that shirt as well. The dress code called for shirts with collars. T-shirts, shorts and sneakers were only allowed in gym classes. Otherwise you were expected to wear proper clothes. Sleeveless shirts were not even allowed in gym classes.
The things that disrupted classes in the 60's and in 2013 are far different. A pocket knife or even a gun in the truck wouldn't have raised an eyebrow back in the day. An NRA shirt can, and did cause a class disruption today. That is why they don't allow anything controversial at school. It is not just gun related. Wear Pro-life, or Gay pride a T-shirt and the same result would have happened.
Over the years I've seen students suspended for chewing gum, hair too long, too short, the wrong color, uncovered tattoos, unusual body piercings, skirts too short, having a walkman, cell phone and even girls wearing jeans to school. In my day girls had to wear dresses or skirts unless the morning temps were in the 20's and then it had to be dress slacks, no jeans. No short pants by anyone even in Georgia in September with no AC. Most of those things, and much more are SOP in most schools today, but would have gottenkids susbended at various times in the last 40 years.
This kid was suspended for knowingly violated school rules just to draw attention to himself, he was arrested for unruly behavior.
The things that disrupted classes in the 60's and in 2013 are far different. A pocket knife or even a gun in the truck wouldn't have raised an eyebrow back in the day. An NRA shirt can, and did cause a class disruption today. That is why they don't allow anything controversial at school. It is not just gun related. Wear Pro-life, or Gay pride a T-shirt and the same result would have happened.
Over the years I've seen students suspended for chewing gum, hair too long, too short, the wrong color, uncovered tattoos, unusual body piercings, skirts too short, having a walkman, cell phone and even girls wearing jeans to school. In my day girls had to wear dresses or skirts unless the morning temps were in the 20's and then it had to be dress slacks, no jeans. No short pants by anyone even in Georgia in September with no AC. Most of those things, and much more are SOP in most schools today, but would have gottenkids susbended at various times in the last 40 years.
This kid was suspended for knowingly violated school rules just to draw attention to himself, he was arrested for unruly behavior.
Sam1911
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That seems to be exactly untrue. The article specifically says there is no such policy and the kid was NOT unruly.
None of us has read the policy nor were we there to observe his behavior, so it's probably best not to cast such stones.
And how in the world could any of the ridiculously sedate slogans the NRA prints on its licensed t shirts ever be considered "disruptive?" I know poodle skirts and bobby socks might have caused quite an uproar back in the day, but we've come a little ways since then!
I have two shirts with the word American real big across the front, American flag on the sleeve, and an ar15 on the back. I try to wear them any time I can. I often wear them to tee ball practice and other social events. I wouldn't allow cops to tell me my shirt is disruptive and that I have to change it. Why should any citizen be arrested for that no matter where his location.
My highschool tried to have a special day called dress to kill. Appearantly they meant tuxedos. Everybody showed up dressed like hunters and soldiers. They didn't have the dress to kill day anymore. They also tried to make a dress code that included all of us had to tuck our shirts in. We revolted and they changed their minds.
r1derbike
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Just the facts, Ma'am (Joe Friday?). The truth lies somewhere between fact and fiction. Let's wait for all sides to weigh-in.
MikeS.
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From Keith Morgan President of the WVCDL of which I'm a card carrying member. The WVCDL was instrumental in getting 5 pro 2A bills through the state legislature in the last session, which just ended. Our House was pretty Pro but the Senate was tough.
WVCDL Official position regarding the Logan school incident:
The WVCDL finds major fault with the school system based upon the facts as presented by media. However, having said that, the WVCDL's rather extensive experience with the media has exposed bias, a tendency towards overblown sensationalism, and an almost universal failure to get a single fact correct in any given story. In short, the media prints or airs stories for a single purpose, and that purpose is the generation of advertising revenue. A sensational story like this is a near guarantee to draw eyes to advertisements from across West Virginia, and likely from across the nation. Understand that with modern media, facts are secondary to advertising draw.
Thus, the WVCDL stands in direct opposition to the Logan school system, and in strong support of the student, if the facts reported are accurate and complete. However, absent more detailed information regarding the behavior of the student, the escalation cycle, and how both parties behaved leading to an arrest, the WVCDL is reserving a formal position at this time.
We are in a limited position to help the student, but assuming the facts shake out over time as reported, we will do what we can to support him and do what we can to ensure that this does not occur again in West Virginia.
WVCDL Official position regarding the Logan school incident:
The WVCDL finds major fault with the school system based upon the facts as presented by media. However, having said that, the WVCDL's rather extensive experience with the media has exposed bias, a tendency towards overblown sensationalism, and an almost universal failure to get a single fact correct in any given story. In short, the media prints or airs stories for a single purpose, and that purpose is the generation of advertising revenue. A sensational story like this is a near guarantee to draw eyes to advertisements from across West Virginia, and likely from across the nation. Understand that with modern media, facts are secondary to advertising draw.
Thus, the WVCDL stands in direct opposition to the Logan school system, and in strong support of the student, if the facts reported are accurate and complete. However, absent more detailed information regarding the behavior of the student, the escalation cycle, and how both parties behaved leading to an arrest, the WVCDL is reserving a formal position at this time.
We are in a limited position to help the student, but assuming the facts shake out over time as reported, we will do what we can to support him and do what we can to ensure that this does not occur again in West Virginia.
Bhamrichard
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What's a bagel.. is that something like a biscuit? You put gravy on biscuits, not cheese
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I'm a junior in highschool and wear my NRA shirt once a week. Never had any official issues, just some angry looks from a few teachers and administrators. If they want to challenge me on it, bring it on. I know my rights and will not back down.
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Millwright
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Could be this lad was another of "those bratty kids", always asking "why ? " ( ! I had one of those ! ) IME, a lot of today's "teachers" (1) haven't much subject matter knowledge, (2) are constrained by the pedagogy pogrom, (3) resent any thing "threatening" to their "authority", (mostly, I suspect, because they're well aware of how slim the knowledge margin twixt student and teacher is.) >MW
Deanimator
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WHAT responsibility?
To pander to malignantly narcissistic bullies?
Not happening.
Not long after Columbine, a friend and I stopped at Starbucks on the way back from the rifle range. The slacker behind the counter said to me, "Boy, it sure takes a lot of guts to wear that hat THESE days!"
I replied, "Why? Who's going to make me take it off?"
There's a lot of talk about major law suits, etc.. coming out of this.
Ultimately, what a jury is going to see is that a kid didn't get to wear the shirt he wanted, got in trouble with the teachers/principal, and ended up spending a few minutes (maybe at worst a few hours) in a cell.
No permanent harm, no major damages, no lasting detrimental impact. Just one messed up school day. Somehow I don't see this being worth the big bucks for a private school bachelors degree.
Not to say his rights weren't wrongfully infringed upon. He's got a good case, but probably not worth huge sums of money unless there are some other factors at play that we don't know (ie, he was raped while in lock up and now has psychological damage, his entire social life is now ruined and he is forever mocked as the the kid who got arrested, etc...)
It was a big mistake twenty years ago when school districts and police departments started putting police in public schools. The rather distinct line between school disciplinary matters and juvenile charges has been made rather fuzzy. The cops are now "enforcers" for school administrators. Students are students and not inmates of a correctional facility. I can at least understand the impulse of putting cops in the schools of downtown Detroit, but now every podunk school in surburbia and rural areas seems to have "resource officers" roaming the halls. It makes even less sense considering the nationwide decline in crime over the last twenty years.
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