Scope for the GSR?
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RhinoDefense
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Think Leupold still has the 2.5x Scout scope.
henschman
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Leatherwood makes a 2-7x32 scout scope that I hear a lot of good things about. It is real reasonably priced, too.
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I had this one http://www.burrisoptics.com/special1.html#2x on a Savage Scout and found it to be very clear and durable.
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I have two Burris 2.75X Scout scopes. Extremely good scopes. I have no doubt that the Leupold would be every bit as good. Personally I'd forego a variable as FOV on the upper end is going to be tiny. You can do alot more with a 2.75x than you'd ever imagine.
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but I'd hate to lose quick access to the irons.. Another point to consider: the rings. I went with the Leupold quick detachable style, instead of the supplied Ruger rings that were too tall for the Scout optic. I don't plan on having a ring wrench in the field when hunting, but am able to loosen the levers enough to remove the whole setup and use the iron sights. I actually tried this a couple of times, and found the iron sights good enough to make reasonable hits on game vital zones with practice.
If I ever decide to buy one the scope will be mounted on the receiver instead of the barrel. I've played around with the forward mounted scopes and can find the target just as fast and get off aimed shots just as fast with a scope mounted conventionally.
Of course you must choose carefully. A variable with a 1.5X or 2X on the low end with lots of eye relief is the key. A scope with any more magnification and short eye relief would be at a disadvantage over a scout scope. Crank it up to 5X or 7X and you have enough power for precision work at longer ranges that cannot be matched with a forward mounted scout scope. Iron sights? Who needs iron sights. I've seen more iron sights break than scopes. If you want a backup, just have a second scope pre zeroed in a second set of rings. It is a 1 minute swap with Ruger rings.
For that matter the way the rear peep works on the Ruger it could be put back on when you remove the scope and you'd be back to iron sights in about 1 minute.
Of course you must choose carefully. A variable with a 1.5X or 2X on the low end with lots of eye relief is the key. A scope with any more magnification and short eye relief would be at a disadvantage over a scout scope. Crank it up to 5X or 7X and you have enough power for precision work at longer ranges that cannot be matched with a forward mounted scout scope. Iron sights? Who needs iron sights. I've seen more iron sights break than scopes. If you want a backup, just have a second scope pre zeroed in a second set of rings. It is a 1 minute swap with Ruger rings.
For that matter the way the rear peep works on the Ruger it could be put back on when you remove the scope and you'd be back to iron sights in about 1 minute.
35 Whelen
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If you don't need iron sights, then what's the purpose of buying a GSR, other than the silly 10 rd. magazine? You could just buy any carbine.
Yes, IF you want to carry a peep sight and a screwdriver in your pocket everywhere you take the rifle.
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Iron sights are for backup.
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My brother and I both own the Ruger Frontier rifle. (similar to the GSR if your not familiar with it.) He has the Burris fixed power (2.75x I believe) and I have the Leupold (2.5x). No issues or complaints from either of us.
I think a variable power would have a tiny FoV at max magnification so something you may wish to consider.
I think a variable power would have a tiny FoV at max magnification so something you may wish to consider.
Since you asked....I was looking for an all purpose rifle, because I don't and won't own many. The GSR is prefect for this, the rifle feels great too me and although more than I wanted to spend, at its price point its hard to beat. As for the irons, I like shooting them, its a skill I want to hang on too. I am also comfortable knowing the rifle is usable without an optic, like today when it goes out for its initial run.35 Whelen said:
....I do take basic tools everywhere my guns go(don't you?)....Having the rear sight on hand is no big deal at all. Let's face it, there is about a "0" chance of an optic failure on this rifle in a life & death situation and less than "0" the GSR is going into battle where true BUIS might be needed.
So likely if something was going to happen to the optic it'll be on the range or hunt, which makes it a PITA but not an emergency, a problem that can be remedied in less than 5 mins to keep the shooting fun going....
Not much point in buying a Scout rifle and not using a forward mount scope.
Pictured is Leupold fixed power scout scope in Leupold QRW low rings.
This setup is very fast and yet allows enough accuracy at any reasonable hunting range and allows quick removal of the optic if it is damaged or undesired.
To each his own, but if you want a conventional scope/mount combination many other compact light rifles are available.
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Thanks for the ideas and input. After lots of back and forth, I finally decided I want too at least try the "scout scope".....
I found the Leatherwood / Hi-Lux Optics LER 2-7x32mm for $109, along with a set of Leapers low 1" Max Strength LE Grade quick detach rings for $15, If I hate it I'm not out that much.....
I found the Leatherwood / Hi-Lux Optics LER 2-7x32mm for $109, along with a set of Leapers low 1" Max Strength LE Grade quick detach rings for $15, If I hate it I'm not out that much.....
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henschman
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If you want to mount a traditional eye relief scope and still keep the iron sights, you might try a LaRue SPR-E scope mount installed "backwards" on the forward rail. The only problem would be that it would put the optic so high you would probably need a cheek riser. Something like this M1A setup:
Well I don't own the GSR, and I do own the standard All Weather Hawkeye in 308. I spent less money and have a better rifle. I do plan to have the barrel shortened to 20" and would consider having irons installed after that. In the meantime I do have a 2nd scope zeroed. I don't carry it in my pack, but it is in camp and the scope could be replaced in less than a minute with nothing more than the leatherman tool that is always in my pack.
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I would mount the scope over the receiver. Could care less about the magazine, but if I were to use irons the peep that mounts on the rear scope dovetail is a pretty good idea. It would take up very little space and could be mounted in seconds. I don't know anyone who doesn't carry some sort of multi-tool with them in the woods. Even a Swiss Army Knife would work for this.
From what I understand the ruger integral rings are not repetable. I don't know if you've tried it, but I believe if you try to reinstall that scope that you have "zeroed" you will find that you are hardly on paper at 100 yards.
I find the same, but don't know if it is specific to Ruger. I don't want to buy two scopes anyway, in the unlikely event of scope failure I have irons on the GSR, might as well use them.
When I found the Leatherwood / Hi-Lux LER at Natchez for such a good price with the quick detach Leaper rings. I ordered it up
This scope is one of the few with variable power that is made for long eye relief, 9" - 13" which is perfect on the GSR. If I should ever need or want to shoot the irons, the setup can be on/off in no time and even without tools.
Anyway, I got the rifle out yesterday and worked in the irons, its a very nice shooter.
This rifle has come together nicely. The Leatherwood LER 2-7x32 scope seems very high quality and has excellent clarity, also included are the see-thru caps. With the long eye relief I hardly have to make any adjustments, the setup sights up naturally when shouldered while offering a full FOV. I'm shooting tomorrow, I know I'm going to like it.(The manual even shows the scope mounted on a GSR ).
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