Scotland Yard Moves to Baby Glocks to Get Women
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svtruth
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but, my Para 1911 in .45 is not thicker throught the butt than my NORINCO full size.
What do the female IDF members carry?
Wouldn't that work?
Or, something like a broomhandle Mauser with a magazine independent of the butt?
but, my Para 1911 in .45 is not thicker throught the butt than my NORINCO full size.
What do the female IDF members carry?
Wouldn't that work?
Or, something like a broomhandle Mauser with a magazine independent of the butt?
From the article: "The replacement weapon for women officers and those with smaller hands is believed to be the “subcompact” version, the Glock 26."
So it's simply an option for those members who can't handle the G17, much like hundreds of police departments in the U.S. already offer. Good move.
But people like to complain for the sake of complaining. If Scotland Yard refused to offer an option to the G17, people would complain about that too.
So it's simply an option for those members who can't handle the G17, much like hundreds of police departments in the U.S. already offer. Good move.
But people like to complain for the sake of complaining. If Scotland Yard refused to offer an option to the G17, people would complain about that too.
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A Glock 26 is just as fat in the grip as a Glock 17. The Glock 26 is probably harder for a 'non shooter' to learn to shoot (I am assuming these folks the UK police hire have never fired a gun) than the Glock 17 because of the shorter grip and barrel.
They could use something thinner in the grip that is full sized like a Browning Hi Power or a 1911. Those are two excellant choices.
They could use something thinner in the grip that is full sized like a Browning Hi Power or a 1911. Those are two excellant choices.
throdgrain
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You're assuming 100% wrong there, it's exactly the opposite, non-shooters remain non-shooters as far as I can see.
230therapy
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Who cares what the British are doing? These are the ENFORCERS of a very tyrannical government.
I ***HOPE*** they don't know what they're doing. The more ineffective they are, the better off the British subjects will be.
I ***HOPE*** they don't know what they're doing. The more ineffective they are, the better off the British subjects will be.
Well, it depends on your value as a target. The President and other heads of state / key people in government have both OVERT and COVERT protection. A lot of time you see the "pop stars" with big biker looking guys and the media moguls with guys in an entourage. As the value of the target goes up, so does the way in which protection is run for them.
sterling180
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You are very much mistaken my friend,as there are many gunsmiths,whom are very capable of servicing&repairing handguns,especially with the links between police force armourers,armed forces armourers&their civillian counterparts.Many top gunsmiths were ex-police&military,like our very own Peter Moore,Laurie Holland&Harry Dolazell.
There is a firearms importer,in Cornwall,whom supplies any police or government agencies,with Glock pistols&whom used to supply the civillian market with them,before they were banned in 1997,with exception of Northern Ireland.If a distribution dealer,such as Edgar Brothers Ltd,has a Section 5 license(Allowed to possess prohibited weapons
then they can import them.Any section 5 dealer can import any weapon,but they are limited on whom they supply these guns to.Edgar Brothers Ltd is the UKs importer,for Remington firearms,Sportsmans Centre is for Steyr-Mannlichers&so on.I saw a nice Glock on a UK dealers website,but it was only labelled for exportion overseas or to Northern Ireland.
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BlisteringSilence
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Sometimes you want the 400 pound gorilla, and sometimes you want to me a little more covert with your protections.
Not to get into too many not-so-secret secrets, but you rarely want your advance team to be overt. Their whole purpose is to evaluate a location for potential dangers, and it's much easier for a nondescript person to do so than a former rugby star that screams "COP!"
A principle's body man (or men) often fit the stereotype of large and intimidating. It's the rest of the detail that doesn't want to be seen, noticed, or acknowledged. Especially in Europe, where the tradition of a 10 car motorcade for dignitaries is the exception to the rule.
sterling180
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Most trainee Level 3(Handguns only..I think
Authorised Firearms Officers aren't that familiar with handguns,unless they were ex-armed-forces,MOD Police&Civil nuclear constabulary-whereby they might of been trained in the handling of the Sig Saur P226&Hi-Power.Due to the handgun ban,they can't try out a private pistol on a range,to get even more gun handling,in their own time.Political selfishness from stupid polititions,whom deny themselves,to the freedom of owning a cartridge-firing ahndgun.BlisteringSilence
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You know, I could be wrong about this, but I thought that this was the issue that Sig addressed with the P250. One platform that's available in fullsize, compact, and subcompact, with 3 different backstraps for each grip.
I know that's why my Sheriff's office looked at moving to that platform. Common internals, but size the gun to the fit and function of the officer.
I know that's why my Sheriff's office looked at moving to that platform. Common internals, but size the gun to the fit and function of the officer.
There seems to be a lot of confusion over there.
I think they want women with big butts, and small hands, and are then having trouble justifying it.
There is a lot of power in those Hips, if they know how to use them.
One good bump, and they could send anyone tumbling sideways...good for crowd controll, good for blocking, form a circle around a VIP like Musk Oxen do, only rumps facing outward, nothing could get through, etc.
Strategic levels and tiers of security require specialization among the ranks.
I think they want women with big butts, and small hands, and are then having trouble justifying it.
There is a lot of power in those Hips, if they know how to use them.
One good bump, and they could send anyone tumbling sideways...good for crowd controll, good for blocking, form a circle around a VIP like Musk Oxen do, only rumps facing outward, nothing could get through, etc.
Strategic levels and tiers of security require specialization among the ranks.
Bennyb747
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I like how they say the subcompacts are not accurate, that is a load of BS...
This guy is plinking with crappy ammo at 230 yards with a G27 and actually landing hits.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmMEg4y54Dk
This guy is plinking with crappy ammo at 230 yards with a G27 and actually landing hits.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmMEg4y54Dk
mustang_steve
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Thing is, it's harder to aim with subcompact since the front sights are closer.
So a shooter will need a greater degree of skill to get a subcompact to be accurate compared to a fullsize pistol.
I think most of us alreday know this though, and like to pick on the technically incorrect wording
So a shooter will need a greater degree of skill to get a subcompact to be accurate compared to a fullsize pistol.
I think most of us alreday know this though, and like to pick on the technically incorrect wording
Well, let's look at women's hands a moment. All else being equal, women's ring and pinkie fingers are proportionately shorter than men's hands. Look sometime, and see how a woman's ring finger tends to be shorter than her index finger.
FWIW, though not female, my pinky fingers are proportonately quite short, and my hands are of medium size, with fairly thin fingers. (OK, so I have girlie hands.) This is in spite of my 6' height and long arms. (35"-36" shirt sleeve length) With my G22 duty pistols, my pinkie finger was just a decoration, contributing nothing to my hold. On my G27 BUG, however, my pinky could grip the magazine floorplate, enabling me to actually have a better grip on a G27 than a G22. So, there is at least one valid reason that the subcompact Glock is going to be a better gun for many women.
Not saying the post-Empire Brits are the most firearms-knowlegeable folks anymore, but this is one thing they might have gotten right. (The G22 and P229 being two of the four authorized primary duty pistol choices for me at the time; the list has grown a bit since then. Yes, I buy my own duty firearms.)
FWIW, I only used the Glocks for a couple of years, as I found the SIG P229, with a short trigger, or custom trigger, was a better fit for me. The G22 and P229 were two of the four authorized primary duty pistol choices I had at the time; yes, I must buy my own duty weapons, and like that policy just fne.
FWIW, though not female, my pinky fingers are proportonately quite short, and my hands are of medium size, with fairly thin fingers. (OK, so I have girlie hands.) This is in spite of my 6' height and long arms. (35"-36" shirt sleeve length) With my G22 duty pistols, my pinkie finger was just a decoration, contributing nothing to my hold. On my G27 BUG, however, my pinky could grip the magazine floorplate, enabling me to actually have a better grip on a G27 than a G22. So, there is at least one valid reason that the subcompact Glock is going to be a better gun for many women.
Not saying the post-Empire Brits are the most firearms-knowlegeable folks anymore, but this is one thing they might have gotten right. (The G22 and P229 being two of the four authorized primary duty pistol choices for me at the time; the list has grown a bit since then. Yes, I buy my own duty firearms.)
FWIW, I only used the Glocks for a couple of years, as I found the SIG P229, with a short trigger, or custom trigger, was a better fit for me. The G22 and P229 were two of the four authorized primary duty pistol choices I had at the time; yes, I must buy my own duty weapons, and like that policy just fne.
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Any Glock is not a 'small handed' weapon. (I've got smallish hands, dammit.)
A Kahr or PPS would help, but even the 'baby' Glocks suffer a long trigger reach and wide grip.
Of course, expecting the British government to know about guns is like expecting Britney Spears to know about dignity and self-respect; I picture the procurement officer who had to select these weapons holding them between thumb and forefinger and openly weeping.
Larry
A Kahr or PPS would help, but even the 'baby' Glocks suffer a long trigger reach and wide grip.
Of course, expecting the British government to know about guns is like expecting Britney Spears to know about dignity and self-respect; I picture the procurement officer who had to select these weapons holding them between thumb and forefinger and openly weeping.
Larry
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They should just import a bunch of those communist red chinese 'Tokarev' copies...and they could go 'Stamp Crazy' Hammering Crossed Swords, Nitro Proof Marks, "NOT BRITISH MAKE" and other stuff all over the things...painting them 'black', and so on. You know, really making them their own.
The price is a whole buncha right, and, Tokarev design is a good fit for smaller hands, probably mostly Pakistani and North African Women anyway, and, those small fast Bullets are supposed to be just dandy for colder climes where BGs wear many layers of clothing...easy recoil...easy upkeep, durable raliable design, on and on.
All the dough they'd save, they could apply to Shooting Instructionals and 'how to' field strip, clean, Oil, shooting old Shillings tossed in the Air, 'Quick Draw', and so on.
Seems like a 'win win' to me.
But...they are probably much too proud to be so sensible...
The price is a whole buncha right, and, Tokarev design is a good fit for smaller hands, probably mostly Pakistani and North African Women anyway, and, those small fast Bullets are supposed to be just dandy for colder climes where BGs wear many layers of clothing...easy recoil...easy upkeep, durable raliable design, on and on.
All the dough they'd save, they could apply to Shooting Instructionals and 'how to' field strip, clean, Oil, shooting old Shillings tossed in the Air, 'Quick Draw', and so on.
Seems like a 'win win' to me.
But...they are probably much too proud to be so sensible...
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Normally is probably a bit of an exageration
Coppers on the beat dont carry any sort of guns at all, same for the (far more numerous) old bill in cars, only designated vehicles carry guns normally, hence the problem when they found that shooter the other week.
For ViP stuff and and security at airports and suchlike is where you'll see the MP5 carrying folk like the ones in the pictures.
Coppers on the beat dont carry any sort of guns at all, same for the (far more numerous) old bill in cars, only designated vehicles carry guns normally, hence the problem when they found that shooter the other week.
For ViP stuff and and security at airports and suchlike is where you'll see the MP5 carrying folk like the ones in the pictures.
To drift off-topic a bit, I do like the handcuff holder! I bought a pair of those handcuffs at GT Distributors, but they did not offer that holder, that holds the cuffs in the extended position. Those handcuffs are marketed, at least in the USA, as the Hiatt Ultimate Handcuffs, and are hinged in the center, but the hinge joint locks in the extended (unfolded) position.
Actually, I don't have enough real estate left on my duty belt for such a 'cuff holder; I would need to find a way to piggyback it onto something else. Right now, I use them as spare 'cuffs, that I put into a back pocket upon exiting the car, if the need is anticipated.
Back on topic: My PD* authorizes certain .40 double-stack autopistols, which we must purchase ourselves. The most popular choice among the female cadets, and the senior female officer who chose to switch, for quite a while was the G22. While Glocks are not the smallest pistols, they are forgiving of the so-called "H" grip, which is what small-handed folks must do when shooting large double-stack pistols.
Then, however, the new S&W M&P40 was authorized, and it became the hands-down choice for female cadets and officers, and quite a few males, too. It would be interesting to see if S&W could make inroads into the UK and Continental European police pistol market.
*Sorry, I can't specify, due to a prohibition on discussing PD policy publicly. It is a big-city PD in the southern USA.
Actually, I don't have enough real estate left on my duty belt for such a 'cuff holder; I would need to find a way to piggyback it onto something else. Right now, I use them as spare 'cuffs, that I put into a back pocket upon exiting the car, if the need is anticipated.
Back on topic: My PD* authorizes certain .40 double-stack autopistols, which we must purchase ourselves. The most popular choice among the female cadets, and the senior female officer who chose to switch, for quite a while was the G22. While Glocks are not the smallest pistols, they are forgiving of the so-called "H" grip, which is what small-handed folks must do when shooting large double-stack pistols.
Then, however, the new S&W M&P40 was authorized, and it became the hands-down choice for female cadets and officers, and quite a few males, too. It would be interesting to see if S&W could make inroads into the UK and Continental European police pistol market.
*Sorry, I can't specify, due to a prohibition on discussing PD policy publicly. It is a big-city PD in the southern USA.
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They have lost all dignity...
Yuck...
Bobbies used to know Ju-Jit-Su, and had great people-skills...dressed very respectably, everything Spit-&-Polish...Melton Cloth and Twill...
Appartment building 'Supers' have more dignity than these mooks, even with all the junk dangling off their Work Belts and so on.
Depressing...
Yuck...
Bobbies used to know Ju-Jit-Su, and had great people-skills...dressed very respectably, everything Spit-&-Polish...Melton Cloth and Twill...
Appartment building 'Supers' have more dignity than these mooks, even with all the junk dangling off their Work Belts and so on.
Depressing...
Madcap_Magician
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I've been mulling this since I first read it, and it seems to me that the UK is going to run into the same issue that the LAPD ran into back when they decided that they wanted X% (I think it was 40%?) of their officers to be female. They did their darndest to attract more women... only to run into a wall because... not as many women wanted to be police officers as they wanted on their force.
Given that firearms units in the UK are a pretty small percent of all officers, I can't imagine that going from the easy-to-shoot Glock 17 to the slight-less-easy-to-shoot Glock 26 with the same grip width is going to change anything, really.
Given that firearms units in the UK are a pretty small percent of all officers, I can't imagine that going from the easy-to-shoot Glock 17 to the slight-less-easy-to-shoot Glock 26 with the same grip width is going to change anything, really.
Deltaboy1984
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Brits are nuts if the Glock is too big for the girls get them some Hi-Powers and let it ride.
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