Scripps Howard News Service column on World War IV

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You think that because you never checked it. Start by looking up the difference between Shi'at Ali and Sunni.
Ya know, it is kind of up to them to show us the difference, and if they have to take out ads they should do so.

It doesn't seem to me that it is my obligation to immerse myself in Muslim lore, sects, or whatever. I do not plan to take long walks in the moonlight with them. What I expect them to do is this:

1. Clean up their nests and get rid of the terrorists.

2. Leave us the hell alone.

If they don't do those two things they will eternally regret the escalation which can befall them. Iran is making war noises. Our argument is with Iran at this point, as a nation. If there are (as I have heard) elements in the Iranian nation who disagree with their rulers, they should overthrow their government.
 
I assume we can all agree that most Christians believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible. Now let us look at the Q'ran. Here a few choice excerpts, with three different translations as it is "impossible" to properly translate into English. Enjoy:
Sura 5:72

"Unbelievers are those who say: 'God is the Messiah, the son of Mary.'" (Dawood excerpt)

"They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah (himself) said: O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Lo! whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah, for him Allah hath forbidden paradise. His abode is the Fire. For evil-doers there will be no helpers." (Pickthall)

Sura 3:28

"Let not believers make friends with infidels in preference to the faithful - he that does this has nothing to hope for from God - except in self-defense. God admonishes you to fear Him: for to God shall all return." (Dawood)

" Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. Whoso doeth that hath no connection with Allah unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them, taking (as it were) security. Allah biddeth you beware (only) of Himself. Unto Allah is the journeying." (Pickthall)

Sura 3:118

"Believers, do not make friends with any but your own people. They will spare no pains to corrupt you. They desire nothing but your ruin. Their hatred is evident from what they utter with their mouths, but greater is the hatred which their breasts conceal. We have made plain to you Our revelations. Strive to understand them." (Dawood).

"O ye who believe! Take not for intimates others than your own folk, who would spare no pains to ruin you; they love to hamper you. Hatred is revealed by (the utterance of) their mouths, but that which their breasts hide is greater. We have made plain for you the revelations if ye will understand." (Pickthall)

Sura 5:51

"Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become one of their number. God does not guide the wrongdoers." (Dawood)

" O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk." (Pickthall)

Sura 3:120

"When you are blessed with good fortune they (unbelievers) grieve: but when evil befalls you they rejoice. If you persevere and guard yourselves against evil, their machinations will never harm you. God has knowledge of all their actions." (Dawood)

"If a lucky chance befall you, it is evil unto them, and if disaster strike you they rejoice thereat. But if ye persevere and keep from evil their guile will never harm you. Lo! Allah is Surrounding what they do." (Pickthall
Sura 4:76

"The true believers fight for the cause of God, but the infidels fight for the devil. Fight then against the friends of Satan. Satan's cunning is weak indeed." (Dawood)

"Those who believe do battle for the cause of Allah; and those who disbelieve do battle for the cause of idols. So fight the minions of the devil. Lo! the devil's strategy is ever weak." (Pickthall)
Sura 4:89

"They (Muslims who don't want to fight) would have you disbelieve as they themselves have disbelieved, so that you may be all alike. Do not befriend them until they have fled their homes in the cause of God. If they desert you, seize them and put them to death wherever you find them. Look for neither friends nor helpers among them." (Dawood)

"They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them," (Pickthall)

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Sura 5:62-63

"You see many among them (the People of the Book - Jews & Christians) vie with one another in sin and wickedness and practise what is unlawful. Evil is what they do. Why do their rabbis and divines not forbid them to blaspheme or to practise what is unlawful? Evil indeed are their doings." (Dawood)

"And thou seest many of them vying one with another in sin and transgression and their devouring of illicit gain. Verily evil is what they do. 005.063 Why do not the rabbis and the priests forbid their evil-speaking and their devouring of illicit gain ? Verily evil is their handiwork." (Pickthall)
Sura 9:29

"Fight against such as of those to whom the Scriptures were given as believe in neither God nor the Last Day, who do not forbid what God and His apostle have forbidden, and do not embrace the truth Faith, until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (Dawood)

Here is the same sura in three other translations:

YUSUFALI: "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

PICKTHAL: "Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low."

SHAKIR: "Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection. "
 
Wow .45. Now I'm not a biblical scholar... very far from it. But I never caught in the Bible where we were to "fight" those of other religions.

As a matter of fact, I was kind of taught to respect the religion of others...
 
Ahem.

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