Seattle Mayor and Anti-gun group call for "Gun Free Businesses" "

[Midwest]

Seattle Mayor and Anti-gun group call for "Gun Free Businesses"


In Seattle, the mayor is getting together with anti-gun group "Washington CeaseFire " to sign up businesses to prohibit carrying. According to the article about a dozen businesses have signed up already and there are others expected to join the list. In addition organizers are going to be doing this in other cities.

I think a Seattle boycott of the businesses on the list is in order, I hope our friends in Washington State is keeping a close eye on this. It is like a cancer, just starting to spread. What are gun rights groups in Seattle and around Washington State going to do to counteract this?

" Washington CeaseFire"...makes me wonder if Bryan Miller of "Ceasefire New Jersey' has a hand in this.

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2021642307_gunfreebusinessesxml.html



"Mayor Mike McGinn plans to unveil a program Monday to encourage Seattle businesses to go “gun free” by not allowing customers to carry firearms inside their establishments. About a dozen businesses have already signed up for a “Gun Free Zone” decal...."


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[Stope Rat]

Ignore them

This is a desperate last-ditch effort by the mayor to distinguish himself from his rival in a close election.

Over half of the businesses that signed up as "gun-free" were bars or taverns - which were already gun-free zones per State law (RCW 9.41.300).

Ignore them, don't patronize them if you choose not to, but don't give them the satisfaction or publicity of responding to this.

 

[Crashbox]

Being a former Seattleite myself, I am sure glad I moved away from that town when I did. And if I said how I really felt about this latest McGizmo fiasco it would be extremely non-THR...

I did post something on KOMO-TV's web page regarding this- if there is ANY sign that businesses should put up, it is THIS one which says: "Guns are welcome on premises. Please keep all weapons holstered unless need arises. In Such a case, judicious marksmanship is appreciated." I have two of them myself and I bought my neighbor across the street one as well.

http://www.compliancesigns.com/NHE-16347.shtml

Just my opinion.

 

[bikemutt]

As far as I know businesses in WA can adopt a no firearms policy. If its discovered a customer has a gun, they can be trespassed, and I believe may be subject to forfeiture. As far as Seattle proper, I never visit the place even though I can be there in 15 minutes or less, they offer nothing I can't find for less elsewhere.

 

[redmond]

It's pitiful..It's Seattle..Did that rhyme? And.it just rains so much there. So depressing. I made it through 6 months in 1960.,everyday,just little drops but.......

Did I mention it rains there?

That's what makes it the Evergreen State - the green isn't trees, it's moss and mildew.

It does rain here - but almost none since June this year...

 

[Elm Creek Smith]

My wife and I visited Seattle on vacation a few years ago. Since Washington honors my Oklahoma Handgun License, my Taurus 85SSUL made the trip, too. We didn't have open carry as an option at the time, so I just carried concealed as a matter of course. I couldn't help but notice that there were a lot of "Impeach Bush" signs in windows. I think the next and last time I'll go to Washington is to pick up my boat from Sam Devlin.

ECS

 

[Deer_Freak]

Even in states where it is legal to carry firearms in an establishment that serves alcohol it's not a good idea to carry a weapon there. If you happened to take a swish of listerine before going there you can expect to be hassled for quite a while. If the place is so rowdy you feel the need to be armed you don't need to be there.

Seattle itself has been quite liberal with their politics for a long time. No one should be surprised by anything on the liberal agenda that happens there.

 

[NavyLCDR]

Even in states where it is legal to carry firearms in an establishment that serves alcohol it's not a good idea to carry a weapon there. If you happened to take a swish of listerine before going there you can expect to be hassled for quite a while. If the place is so rowdy you feel the need to be armed you don't need to be there.

I would like to see some evidence presented that this is actually true. At least once a month my family goes for dinner out to restaurants that serve alcohol and I have one or two beers with dinner, while open carrying my firearm as usual. I keep hearing this theory that this is a problem, but nobody has been able to present evidence that indicates their theory is true in real life.

Washington State = perfectly legal.

 

[Prince Yamato]

Even in states where it is legal to carry firearms in an establishment that serves alcohol it's not a good idea to carry a weapon there. If you happened to take a swish of listerine before going there you can expect to be hassled for quite a while. If the place is so rowdy you feel the need to be armed you don't need to be there.

Seattle itself has been quite liberal with their politics for a long time. No one should be surprised by anything on the liberal agenda that happens there.

Bull. If I'm ordering a steak, I'm drinking Stella Artois. I'm also not giving up my Second Amendment rights. Teetotalers can stuff it.

 

[Deanimator]

Even in states where it is legal to carry firearms in an establishment that serves alcohol it's not a good idea to carry a weapon there.

So, "it's not a good idea to carry a weapon" while eating lunch at Chipotle, even if you're not consuming alcohol?

 

[NavyLCDR]

So, "it's not a good idea to carry a weapon" while eating lunch at Chipotle, even if you're not consuming alcohol?

Only if you use Listerine mouth wash!

 

[alternety]

A couple of points. I believe that carrying into a business with a no guns sign is not an offense. If the owner/staff asks you to leave and you refuse it becomes trespass. There is no forfeiture involved. If you do it again in that business I believe the issue escalates if you have been "trespassed".

Re: mayor. The bastard in a news interview pointed out that an increase in the number of guns has been proven to increase violent/gun crime. He, of course has presented it just ass backwards. I really hate this. The media never gives real information the chance to refute these egregiously incorrect statements.

The no guns signs are a result of Starbucks (don't quote me) permissive/support for guns. In point of fact, their policy is simply to follow the laws applicable to a particular location. In NY and CA I believe the local laws would require them to strip you naked, cover you with hot tar and the outer layers of birds, and throw you into the street (unless a rail was available) in which case they would escort you out of the state or the local jail.

 

[oneounceload]

Seattleites don't tan, they rust;
this is just like the anti Starbucks movement by some soccer-mom anti gun group thinking if the store is gun free it is crime free

how stupid is that?

 

[316SS]

Seattleites don't tan, they rust

Yep, and sugar melts and sh!7 floats.

this is just like the anti Starbucks movement by some soccer-mom anti gun group thinking if the store is gun free it is crime free

how stupid is that?

So stupid even Starbucks realized it. When this sort of shenanigans fails out loud, everybody wins.

 

[NavyLCDR]

I don't think this is about Starbucks. I think this is more about Seattle's ban on firearms in recreation areas that got shot down by the court as violating state law. This is more about Seattle thumbing their noses at state preemption laws than about Starbucks, IMHO.

 

[Crashbox]

I don't think this is about Starbucks. I think this is more about Seattle's ban on firearms in recreation areas that got shot down by the court as violating state law. This is more about Seattle thumbing their noses at state preemption laws than about Starbucks, IMHO.

I agree. Seattle's politicians and the PD chief seemingly want to do everything they can to overthrow state preemption. However, Seattle isn't the entire state despite what they think!

 

[OilyPablo]

First of all climate comparisons. Hmmm.....94°F and nasty, 74°F and perfect. WA wins hands down. Yes we have some rainy cool months, but you can go outside.

As for Seattle yeah, they have completely lost their minds. They actually admit this kind of stuff won't slow down violence. It's all about mind and people control, and it drips with irony, hypocrisy, and a plain old group of old and new wave hippies who are all for open mindedness as long as you agree with their views.

 

[lemaymiami]

If I lived there (thank heavens... I don't) I would make a point of speaking publicly at every opportunity to point out that most of the terrible "gun violence" incidents seem always to occur in places where guns are already prohibited. I'd also point out that in that situation the victims (and everyone else present) are little more than rabbits...

You must not accept the ideas behind these kind of proposals. The moment you allow them any legitimacy... the gun control crowd wins the day....

 

[beatledog7]

Imagine the conversation when the rep visits a business owner's premises:

WCF Rep: Hello, I represent Washington CeaseFire, and I'm here to ask you to sign this pact making your business gun free.

Business Owner: How will my signature accomplish that?

WCF Rep: Um, what do you mean? You just agree not to allow people to carry guns inside your business. Then everyone will know there aren't any guns in here so they can shop here in safety.

Business Owner: What about the one I'll be carrying?

WCF Rep: Well, obviously you wouldn't be carrying either. You'd be setting the right example.

Business Owner: What about the one carried by the thief or mass shooter who doesn't give a flying crap about any stupid law? Why would I want to make my shop a "feel free to blast away unchallenged" zone.

WCF Rep: Um, er, uh, um...

Business Owner: Yeah, no thanks. Here's a "10% off for legal handgun carry" coupon. Have a nice day.

 

[lemaymiami]

Well said Beatle... these are the kind of things we need to say over and over again whenever some well meaning fool makes this kind of proposal...

 

[Mr.510]

I live in Seattle. This is just some more grandstanding BS for media coverage/votes. In this state a 'no guns' sign on private property carries no legal weight. If for some reason you decided to go into a business with one of these signs while carrying the worst they could do is ask you to leave. If you do not leave you are trespassing and that is illegal. This is not specific to guns carriers, if an employee of any business asks you to leave for any reason and you don't you are trespassing. I carry concealed at all times and 'concealed means concealed'. I will not go into any business that has a no guns sign. Not because they might ask me to leave but because I refuse to support any company that would post such a sign. I suggest anyone else in Seattle go to the Washington Ceasefire website to see the list of businesses that we should all be boycotting. I will post the list to a couple of the local facebook gun groups I'm in. I am happy to say that I've never heard of most on the list and have never been in ANY of them.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

I think a Seattle boycott of the businesses on the list is in order, ...

...said the unaffected man from Kentucky, LOL. Okay, I am in Texas. I will boycott those businesses, too. In fact, I was pre-boycotting them in anticipation of them going gun-free. Maybe it isn't a boycott if you don't actually do business there anyway, is it?

However, if you are going to call for a boycott of businesses on "the list" then maybe you should at least provide a list of the businesses, or a link thereto, no?

http://www.gunfreeseattle.org/#participate

 

[Delford]

What a useless effort by WACeasefire. CCP holders, like LEOs, are exempt according to the link.

 

[Midwest]

...said the unaffected man from Kentucky, LOL. Okay, I am in Texas. I will boycott those businesses, too. In fact, I was pre-boycotting them in anticipation of them going gun-free. Maybe it isn't a boycott if you don't actually do business there anyway, is it?

However, if you are going to call for a boycott of businesses on "the list" then maybe you should at least provide a list of the businesses, or a link thereto, no?

http://www.gunfreeseattle.org/#participate

I don't live in Seattle, don't plan to visit there either. Sure this is a Seattle matter anyway, why should I care here in Kentucky? Well to call attention to a local matter to a national forum. I'm sure there are many of these "CeaseFire" groups all over the country that no one has ever heard of,....doing exactly the same thing as "Washington CeaseFire" is doing and actually maybe doing some damage to Pro-Gun rights. I say expose them, even if we live 2000 miles away.

As far as boycotts, let the word let out on a national forum that these businesses who cave into "Washington CeaseFire" will end up having negative publicity on a national level. Maybe if enough publicity is given to what "Washington CeaseFire is doing", it might affect other "CeaseFire" groups and lessen their influence.

Not many people realize what influence "CeaseFire New Jersey" has over politicians, anti-gun legislation, the media and overall name recognition. Perhaps if we were more diligent in trying to counteract that group early on. Maybe gun owners in NJ could have had a better outcome. By ignoring it on a National Level (because we don't live there) the problem has become worse and these anti-gun groups are firmly entrenched in that state.

Because we live hundreds or thousands of miles away, we should not think it isn't our problem. It is our problem, and as gun owners we should never think that we are safe. People that we never elected (and never had a chance to oppose in an election) in states far away have affected your gun rights and my gun rights. Lautenberg Amendment and Hughes Amendments are good examples.

What happens in Seattle, could effect what happens in Texas or Kentucky someday down the road.

What happened in New Jersey DID affect what happened in Texas and Kentucky as well as the other 48 states.

 

[OilyPablo]

I've never bought anything from those shops, and for the most part never heard of them. But frankly I avoid Seattle save for Sounders, Seahawks, Mariners games. Now for sure I have zero reason to enter ANY shops in Seattle.