Securing our firearms

[JFtheGR8]

As I posted in another thread, how do we guarantee society that we can secure our firearms and keep them out of the wrong hands? I don't see requiring the use of some sort of lock as a compromise. Usually a lock is included when buying a gun so why not use it and keep the key inaccessible to the unauthorized? In response to those who would say there is no need in their home I would say that someone could break in and steal your guns while you are out. You say you need to rapidly access your gun? How about a biometric lock then? I'm just spitballing here but the antis are going to get their pound of flesh if we don't engage in some dialogue other than outright refusal to compromise somewhere.


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[JFtheGR8]

Didn't see the earlier thread. Could this be merged into that one?


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[AlexanderA]

I think a gun safe is a good idea. What bothers me is making this a legal requirement. Who is to enforce the gun safe requirement? Are gun owners going to have to submit to periodic inspections of their homes to make sure the security requirements are complied with? (If not, this will just be an official "suggestion.")

 

[Blue Line]

I just think if I had a family member with mental health issues like this kid in CT, I would take some extra precautions with my guns. I dont believe you can legislate common sense.

 

[BigJimP]

In most, if not all states, you already have a liability issue - if you're considered Negligent...by not safeguarding your weapons to some reasonable level, that a prudent person would do.

A safe is the best, and least expensive way, for most of us to accomplish this - if we have several guns especially. Its also the best insurance - since most of us have sub-limits for theft of guns on our homeowners insurance that are pretty low.

To me its a common sense issue - to secure our guns / from kids, grandkids, etc. as responsible gun owners - but I don't see it becoming part of the dialogue / its already there as a potential "negligent" issue. For the most part, I trust my kids ...and grandkids ....but I sure don't trust all their friends...so everything stays in my safe / except my carry gun - that goes in the nightstand or on my belt.

Its also hard to imagine a court would hold anyone liable - if guns were stolen (especially if they were secured in some reasonable manner ) ....just like you're not liable for what happens if someone steals your car as a rule.

 

[JFtheGR8]

I thought about the whole how to enforce compliance if something like this were law. Yes, it is common sense to keep firearms secure. The problem with this latest event is that common sense did not prevail. A negligent gun owner with a mentally defective son has brought on the most horrific shooting in my memory. The Paducah and Columbine shootings are another example of disturbed kids getting their hands on guns due to negligence in properly securing guns in the home. A prime example where the actions of the few put sanctions on the many.


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[Ehtereon11B]

Firearms are expensive enough to force a safety storage requirement. As stated most states have a liability clause against gun owners. This is a good and bad thing. It offers a legal/civil incentive to protect firearms. Even if it is a sturdy lock on a closet door, most states will accept that as a storage requirement against liability. The gun owners who go out and buy the $2000 safe are going the extra mile to protect their investment. There are enough legal "you must do this" to add a safe storage requirement.

 

[JFtheGR8]

Trigger and/or cable locks are inexpensive.


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[Skribs]

Put the wrong hands in prison. If we can't trust them with guns, we can't trust them with people.

Similarly, unless you plan on locking up hammers, crowbars, baseball bats, and kitchen knives...well, you see where I'm going with this.

 

[Magoo]

What is "reasonably secure"?

First, those locks that come with guns are an absolute joke. Sure they'll keep a toddler safe, but that's about it.

We often correct folks in here talking about "gun safes" and tell them the term is "Residential Security Container" (RSC). How much should I have to spend on an RSC before my guns are considered "reasonably secure"? Or should I have to buy a real safe (something I saw posted here in another thread)? Is a gun cabinet with a glass front an irresponsible thing to have?

Should I also be required to have a certain quality of exterior doors on my house? A certain grade of locks? Unbreakable windows?

"Reasonable security" can only be left up to individuals. Some folks need to protect against their kids getting ahold of a pistol, some folks need to lock up hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of guns in a crime ridden big city. This is all about personal responsibility and no two peoples' circumstances are the same.

 

[Onmilo]

"How can we guarantee we can secure our firearms and keep them out of the wrong hands?"
You lock your doors right?
Someone breaches your door they are the criminal, not you.

If you have a family member with mental illness issues that may lead to violent behavior, it is up to you to keep firearms out of the hands of that person and some more drastic measures should be incorporated.

 

[JFtheGR8]

Like I said, just spitballing here. You will give something up. Absolutely no doubt about it. Gun owners need to think long and hard about solutions that will allow us to be able to buy thirty round mags or AR/AK type rifles when and if we want to. I don't want any more laws but they're coming. Wanted or not. Mandatory training for certain types of firearms maybe? From NRA certified instructors? I wouldn't mind taking a carbine class but should everyone need to? Military and law enforcement training would count of course.


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[Texan Scott]

Obamastein will mandate NRA proficiency training when pigs fly. They don't WANT you to shoot better... they want you disarmed. They don't know enough about gins in general to know what kind of training is needed or desirable.