Thegreengiant34
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Anyone use these? Are they good for home defense. https://www.ammunitiontogo.com/product_info.php/pName/50rds-556-black-hills-62gr-tsx-hp-ammo
If you live in the city/suburbs I would use a shotgun. Or a pistol carbine. It's what I have. A Ruger PC9 with Glock hi cap mags. And a 590 loaded with #4 buck. Shotgun is mine carbine is my wife's.
Lessons learned:
Contrary to what we have been told, XM-193 does not seem to “fragment” when shot into drywall walls. After we were through for the day, we even shot several more rounds of XM-193 into the walls to see if we could get one to fragment. They did not. It is clear that they were tumbling and deviating from the flight path, but they were still penetrating the walls. Now, before anyone says it, No, I do not know how much damage they would do to someone after the 4th wall. But they would do some damage as they were still penetrating.
Remington 55 grain JSP and Frangible 5.56 also penetrated all 4 walls. So did the .30 Carbine. When shooting rifles, walls are concealment, not cover.
00 Buck penetrates 4 walls with ease. It is a great “Stopping” round, but there is a price to pay. Until someone invents a “Phaser” like on Star Trek, anything that will stop a bad guy, will also penetrate several walls.
Birdshot does not excessively penetrate drywall walls. But it does not penetrate deeply enough to reach a bad guy’s vital organs. Birdshot makes a nasty but shallow wound. It is not a good Stopper. Use Birdshot for little birds. Use 00 Buckshot for bad guys.
If you live in the city/suburbs I would use a shotgun. Or a pistol carbine. It's what I have. A Ruger PC9 with Glock hi cap mags. And a 590 loaded with #4 buck. Shotgun is mine carbine is my wife's.
Another +1 for #4 buck. Try it sometime and see for yourself.
.223 drywall penetration apparently varies quite a bit across different loads:
http://how-i-did-it.org/drywall/results.html
Winchester 55gr softpoint broke up very nicely and failed to penetrate the third wall. As one might expect, 40gr VMAX penetrated even less.
I’d be curious to see whether bullets break up faster when fired from 1:7 barrels vs. 1:9 or 1:12.
When I kept a 556 ar for home defense thats what it was loaded with also. I do keep both my shottys loaded with 4buck, but neither are primary defensive arms.Thanks for the link. As it happens my house gun is loaded with the 40gr V-Max.
BSW
I’m trying to picture a scenario where I’d be in a self-defense situation - using an AR or some other 5.56 rifle - where the basic ballistics of the rifle round wouldn’t be sufficient.
Hostage taker is shot solidly in torso with AR15. Afterwards he kills one officer and wounds another before other officers shoot and kill him.
https://www.odmp.org/officer/6501-corporal-charles-william-hill
https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...suicide/46d6e901-c1b6-4fc6-8d0f-ed2a43280fd5/
No it didn't. After the offender, Jamie Martin Wise, was shot he staggered momentarily. At the time he was shot he was holding a sawed off shotgun to the head of a hostage, who he had his arm around. When Wise staggered, the hostage wiggled free and ran away. Wise then aimed his shotgun, fired and hit Cpl. Hill in the face, killing him. Wise then pumped the action of his shotgun and shot at Ofcr. Chelchowski, who had been kneeling. Chelchowski was scrambling away from Wise on all fours when he was hit. At this time several other officers opened fire at Wise and instantly incapacitated him with at least one CNS hit. Had these other officers not shot Wise he would have been able to keep going until he lost enough blood to lose consciousness. So this is indeed a situation in which the ballistics were "insufficient" to stop dangerous behavior.The ballistics of the rifle DID end the fight... just not quick enough. (shot placement)