Semiauto shotguns: why?

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I realize that autos are easier to fire in certain situations, like prone, etc., but other that that, why should I choose one over a pump?

I like semi shotguns in theory, but I don't see why they're twice as much as pumps. I know a little less than nothing about shotguns, so any advice from you old timers, err, experienced users would be useful ;)
 
Autoloaders have less recoil than a pump and in a stressful situation, a person that rarely or never practices with the shotgun they keep for home defense can panic and not think to pump the action. With the autoloader, they just point and pull the trigger. K.I.S.S. principle.
 
Although I have some autos, I lost all kinds of faith in their reliability when I saw not one, but two, fail during a sheet shoot at my place with in-laws. There were only five shot guns there. Two semis failed with gas ring/seal problems almost right-out-of-the-chute. The two pumps and SXS went on blazing.
 
Can't short-shuck an auto.

Also, if you're accustomed to semi-auto rifles, you can find commonality of weaponry with a semi-auto shotgun. I use a semi-auto AR15 quite frequently and I found that I would forget to pump my buddy's Winchester 1300 Defender during skeet rounds. My Benelli M1 usually does the pumping for me. :)

Justin
 
Hmm.. all these are good answers about "why an auto vs. a pump", but I'm still curious why they're so much more expensive. Parts is parts, right? Put in these parts, you make an auto, put in those parts, you make a pump?

Plus, aren't semi shotguns subject to more of the Crime Bill that pumps?

(I'm still more likely to get a semi than a pump, I just want to have reassuring thoughts going through my head when I reach for the checkbook ;))
 
I have 2 semi's---a 12ga and 20ga---both Berettas---they are lightweight and fit me "right"-----although not all semi's can be considered lightweight.

The things I like about them is the recoil reduction and you don't have to think about operating the action and just concentrate on the target and shooting.

The Beretta system also doesn't use those stupid O-rings like on the Remington.
 
why an auto vs. a pump

The biggest reason for me is just one less thing to think about when shooting at fast targets moving in opposite directions.

as far as faliures my 391 which I picked up used has yet to fail one time.

Low recoil is also a plus with the auto's but my O/U is still my favorite for Skeet. I like the auto for trap.

I have used pump guns for the better part of 20 years and have always liked them. Today I don't even own a pump. I guess taste change over the years.
 
I doubt I'm completely objective about this, but here's some long held and informed opinions....

What we call autos covers a few different styles and designs. There's few universals, but there are some common probs, and non common advantages to some designs.

Gas autos have that reduced felt recoil thing going. This is a MAJOR selling point for obvious reasons.Blowback operated autos do not have the major reduction like gas autos, but do have some reduction and tend to work in worse conditions.

All autos are dirt sensitive. Newer designs and better cleaning methods have improved this, but no auto I know of will continue to function in conditions that many pumps will handle.

Autos tend to be more ammo sensitive. The old A-5s worked wonderfully well with heavy loads, but oft glitched on target fodder.IOW, the pump has a greater variety to its ammo.

A decent 12 gauge pump can handle anything from 3/4 oz, 1000 FPS cream puffs to the barnburners.

And while I've not seen an auto with a clean, crisp, safe 3.5 lb trigger, I'm only 56.

As for one handed firing with autos, try it. Some autos will glitch up if not pulled back hard into the shoulder cup.

As for prone, I've shot pumps prone, and had little trouble so doing.Worst I can say is the support side elbow abrades.

IMO,an auto may be a good hunting or target tool, but for Crisis Management I want a pump.

And finally, how mnay 870s can be bought for the price of a 391?
 
And while I've not seen an auto with a clean, crisp, safe 3.5 lb trigger, I'm only 56.
Guess I'm just lucky, got one on my first try! My Beretta A303 has a better trigger than any factory Remington pump or auto on the planet ;)
 
You are lucky. Even a 303 fan like Bruce Buck talks about Timney-izing his.

OTOH, the only 870 out of 5 here with a trigger heavier than 4 lbs is the 20 gauge. Two came like that, and two needed a little attention from a good smith. And the 20's cleaner than most.
 
About 10 years ago I purchased my first shotgun. A Benelli M1 Super 90 Tactical with 8 round capacity, an 18 1/2" barrel, ghost ring sights and pistol grip/shoulder stock combo.

I originally bought it because it sounded at the time like the antis were going to get their way with the banning of many different type guns and this was one of them. Therefore, I definitely had to have one.

Up until then I had never even fired a shotgun so I really had nothing to compare it to. The only comparison I could make was my pre-ban Colt HBAR and if you like the feel of an AR-15, you would like the feel of the M1.

I have to admit, I'm not a shotgun person at all even though I have very recently bought a Winchester Defender 1300 with an 8 shot capacity. While I'm now getting used to the pump, the auto is still my favorite. Maybe I'm just lazy but that's the way it is.

My varmint rifles are what get my attention, much more so than either handguns or shotguns so I really can't give a "true" shotgunners response as many of the above fellas have.

Safe shooting.
 
I choose the one that appeals to me the most and fits me the best regardless of what action type is is. I do have an auto (Benelli) but also have a pump and an bolt-action. Each has it's own purpose. choose what fits your needs and appeals to you not what the majority has!
 
It's kinda like a transmission in a car.....

Some like autos, some like manual.

Hmm.. all these are good answers about "why an auto vs. a pump", but I'm still curious why they're so much more expensive. Parts is parts, right? Put in these parts, you make an auto, put in those parts, you make a pump?

Lets use the transmission analogy again. Its not as simple as put it these parts instead of those. Auto guns are designed differently than pumps. Same with transmissions. You have to pay for parts, technology, engineering, etc. Does an Auto tranny cost the same as a manual?
 
Does an Auto tranny cost the same as a manual?

Maybe not on the sticker, but it is after I get my haggle on ;)

I think I'm going to scratch my auto shotgun itch with a 12-ga. Saiga. Can't beat $300 for a mag-fed semi shotgun. Not to mention it's cheap enough I can bowflage it without feeling guilty.

Should be interesting to see the reaction from the Benelli and Beretta snobs that I see at my range :evil:
 
I've heard a lot of good things about the Saiga. There's an LEO over at ammolab who swears by the Saiga. It's probably the best deal going for a semi-auto shotgun. The design is Kalashnikov reliable, chrome-lined bore, and you can get extra mags for it. You cannot go wrong with a Kalashnikov.
 
Braz,

That new Remington competition model looks pretty good. Definitely a lot of firepower.

There should be a write-up in one of the gun magazines pretty soon.

That new 12 gauge Saiga ought to generate a lot of interest, at least from everything I've read. Might be another one to consider.

Safe shooting.
 
But, something to consider is that any semi-(machine-operated system) can only be fired as quickly as that system is designed to be cycled.

A manually-operated system can be operated quicker a(ny) semi can cycle, based only on the skill of the operater.

Witness Ed McGivern & (?) Brian Enos - with DA revolvers.
(I'm having total brain fade as to some names .... )

These speed records - with accuracy - are made with manual systems.

'Course, I haven't kept up with SGs & have seen some amazing 1st-hand shooting w/Benellis.

& Dave's correct about the pumps eating anything at all - and, about the supporting arm eating a bit of roughage sometimes in prone - my only reason not to have a pump & one position that has never come into play with a SG - 40+ years.

BTW, I have still yet to ever shoot a semi shotgun .... crazy, huh?
 
Lab, perhaps you're thinking of Jerry Miculek, the revolver ace(8 shots in under 2 seconds,IIRC) who did a very fast COF on American Shooter with an 870. 5 targets, 2.5 seconds.

The big prob with that Saiga seems to be the box mag. Kinda eliminates low prone. And like most K guns, it has an industrial trigger.
 
One of my brothers is a guy with well lets say less "physical presence" than a lot of us 5' 6", 145 Lbs. Other brothers 870 pounds him pretty good with the same loads he can comfortably use in his 1100. He only shot my synthetic stocked lightweigt Maverick 88 ONCE, using 3" mag #4 (My preferred Duck load, untill we had to use steel shot)
 
"perhaps you're thinking of Jerry Miculek, ... "

That's the guy. Told ya = brain fade.

JM, IIRC, also did the speed-shoot with a 10/22 on the "outdoors sprortsman-thingy." ... Or, it coulda been ona the Clark Bros ....
 
If you were injured and only had one good hand you could still shoot

870 can be easily run single handedly. If doing it for myself I toss the gun between hand on comb and hand on forearm, always shooting the gun from a shouldered position. I know it's supposedly gun abuse to cycle the gun by holding the forearm and cycling it like that, but the Remington takes it well. With spectators present I pick one foot of the ground so as to make a place to rest the butt of the gun on my upper thigh, then cycle the slide against the weight of the gun. A little slower, but not much. Helps to practice as holding the thing shouldered one handed will get a lil tough on the weak of grip.
 
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