Sen.Allen seems like a good choice for 2008.

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Even though the 06 elections aren't even here yet, how
do any of you feel about Sen.George Allen as a choice
for the GOP in 08. I glanced over his bio page and
found some things I liked. McCain is NOT a choice as
far as I'm concerned. He's too much a Republicrat,
and Mrs.Clinton wouldn't get my vote for dog catcher.

However Sen.Allen appears to be more in tune. Am I
mistaken ?
http://allen.senate.gov/public/

Protecting 2nd Amendment Rights

As a Governor and a Senator, I have a long and consistent record of supporting the rights of Americans to protect their families and themselves. I will remain committed to protecting our Second Amendment rights, including that of law-abiding citizens to own firearms. In the Senate, I voted against renewal of the toothless, cosmetic “Assault Weapons Ban” because facts have demonstrated that it has not reduced crime, but became a platform for taking away additional gun rights with more imagery. In addition, I have co-sponsored legislation to repeal the unconstitutional D.C. gun ban and an additional bill to allow pilots in the cockpit to be armed for the defense of the aircraft and their passengers.
 
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he is probably now the frontrunner. it is his to lose.what is funny,is now nobody cares about frist and mccains endorsement,much less their campaigns.
 
In 2000, Allen campaigned as a supporter of the AWB. When it was up for renewal, I wrote to him asking that he oppose it. His response was a model of good sense and political courage, saying in essence, I opposed it in the past, all the evidence shows I was wrong, and I will oppose it. And he did. For this and his other positions, he's got my vote for Senate this year and would have it in '08 if he were the nominee.
 
somebody will need a running mate and chiefs of staffs,lets keep as many as possible.
 
Hmmm.

As RKBA statements go, this one isn't too bad. Support for the DC ban repeal is a good start.

There's a problem though. He doesn't say outright that personal defense is a reason for civilian gun ownership. That's the big step you want out of 'em no matter which party they're with.

Among the Dem contenders of '04, only John Edwards went that far on his campaign website.

Allen being from VA is good too, it's a shall-issue state and has been for a long time, with good results. That matters.

He's a Republican. Good for us, but...does he have any links to Abramoff or Cheney/Halliburton or anything similar that will drive the liberals completely batty? See, to us Hillary is an absolute worst-case freakshow. There are people on the right who get the left all stirred up. It's not a bad idea to try and avoid that where possible.

Pending more info, this is a good start. What was he like as governor of VA from '94-'98?
 
There's a problem though. He doesn't say outright that personal defense is a reason for civilian gun ownership. That's the big step you want out of 'em no matter which party they're with.

I saw a speech he gave awhile back, I believe was on CSPAN the program Road To The White House 2008. I'm going from memory so bear with me but I remember him saying something to the effect that when he became Governor of VA that to deal with crime problem he was advised to push for more gun control. Instead he signed concealed carry into law because he believed that it was a better way to deal with crime. I'll see if I can find a copy of the speech.
 
He's got my vote, he is up for re-election this year so he's got to win that race first. One thing im very pleased though is unlike our other senator Warner he did not vote for the Senate Imigration bill that basicly gives illegals amnesty. And to the qeustion above yes he was Gov of VA from 94-98. And before that he was a one term congress man from my district.
 
Oddly enough I was at a town hall meeting a few weeks back with Senator Feingold who said basically the same thing as Allen, that the Assualt Weapon ban was purely cosmetic and he voted against the renewal. He also said he believes in the second amendment and includes self defense in his arguments for it.
 
Jim March

In response to your post in regards to Democrats and Republicans. Traditionally GOP members are more likely to follow party lines and Democrats are willing to switch parties if they do not like the person the Dems are running. So we do have that in our favor.:)
 
I believe Allen will run and will win the primaries. Senators don't do well in presidential campaigns, but Allen's experience as a governor is a strong asset. You would have to accept that he is actually moderate and that such is what makes him a viable candidate. He's a good guy. I like him.
 
There's a problem though. He doesn't say outright that personal defense is a reason for civilian gun ownership.

Uhhhhh Jim are you feeling alright? :uhoh:

As a Governor and a Senator, I have a long and consistent record of supporting the rights of Americans to protect their families and themselves. I will remain committed to protecting our Second Amendment rights, including that of law-abiding citizens to own firearms.

How much more outright can he get? :confused:
 
Oddly enough I was at a town hall meeting a few weeks back with Senator Feingold who said basically the same thing as Allen, that the Assualt Weapon ban was purely cosmetic and he voted against the renewal. He also said he believes in the second amendment and includes self defense in his arguments for it.

Too bad he doesn't believe in the First.
 
Dbl0Kevin: whoops, yeah, I read it too fast. OK, this is basically a grade-A statement. ("A+" would be a reference to community defense but there's no way they're going to say THAT.)

If he signed CCW...well lesse, according to:

http://www.gun-nuttery.com/rtc.php

...if I'm remembering which state VA is by sight :D then it switched to shall-issue from may-issue (yellow to blue) in 1995. Which is right in Allen's term as governmor.

Oh yeah. OK, that's cool.

I do want to know how he stands on fiscal matters and how successful he was balancing the VA budget but...yeah, he's definately got potential.
 
I like a lot of his politics, but I'm not sure he'll win. The mud is already slinging from the left, and some of it may be legitimate. He is being protrayed as a racist:

-When he was a still a lawyer he kept a noose around a tree in front of his office. First, it was spun by him and his people as he was tough on crime. Next it was spun as a lasso and not a noose at all. The opposition to him is protraying it as representing lynching. Since it wasn't a model gallows on his desk but a noose actually hanging from a tree (the way a lynching is done) it is easy for someone to believe his opposition over him (especially with the two different stories from his side). To be honest this one is the one that actually has me a bit concerned (not that if he is racist he'd be our first racist president- most have been in fact).

-He opposed making Martin Luther King Jr's birthday a holiday. Nothing wrong with that, there is a legitimate argument to be made, but it is spun as racism.

-He defended Trent Lott when Lott got in trouble for praising Storm Thurmond and saying the US would have been a better country if Thurmond had won the presidency when he ran (remember, when he ran he ran as a segragationist). Well, like a lot of people I don't think Lott had such things in mind when he praised Thurmond, he was simply flattering a friend, but that isn't how many people see it. For defending Lott it is being spun that Allen is tolerant and sympathetic of racism.

-When he was a state delegate he voted against changing the state song which some said was racist.

-He called the NAACP an extremist group. While the NAACP can indeed be quite extreme, no shock this is being spun as racist.

-As Governor he signed a proclaimation making April "'Confederate Heritage Month". Definately racism according to his opposition. Well, it is more complex than that as most here know.

-Related to the above he called the Civil War "a four-year struggle for independence and sovereign rights". You know how the left is spinning that. In reality, it was much more complex than slavery and states rights and sovereignity was a big issue involved in the Civil War.

-Similar to the above he has a collection of Confederate flags. Very emotional symbolism to many people on both sides of the flag issue.

-He replaced the black member of the University of VA Board of Regents with a white person. I say, pick whomever is most qualified regardless of race. Opponents say that proves racism.


Whatever you think on these issues, decide for yourself. Personally I think he is a proud transplanted southerner (he isn't originally from the south) and that he is not racist. Some may see it as racist. It is certainly already being spun that way by the left. I can see a big smear campaign should he look like he'll be the candidate. Given that, and most American voter's seeming inability to think critically sometimes, I'm not sure that he'll be the best candidate as it may well stick and he may lose as a result.

The Republicans need to put up someone squeeky clean, especially in this year of scandals, because the likely alternatives (Gore, Kerry or H. Clinton) are too scary to even imagine.
 
"a noose actually hanging from a tree"

And the first time I met him he was wearing cowboy boots. Must be some kind of wannabe trying to find his roots even though he's really just a California boy at heart (okay, okay, it's not his fault his daddy was a Hall of Fame NFL head coach.) He has a real firm handshake too.

All in all, he'd make a pretty good President. The Dems are only picking on his past because he's a Republican with Presidential aspirations. How come they didn't make a real big deal out of any of this old news when he was elected Governor and Senator? Hmmm? They must be upset he's on a winning streak.

John
 
Here are his answers from the survey found at Project Vote Smart.
Indicate which principles you support (if any) concerning gun issues.
a) Ban the sale or transfer of semi-automatic guns, except those used for hunting.
X b) Maintain and strengthen the enforcement of existing federal restrictions on the purchase and possession of guns.
c) Ease federal restrictions on the purchase and possession of guns.
d) Repeal federal restrictions on the purchase and possession of guns.
X e) Allow citizens to carry concealed guns.
X f) Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks on guns.
X g) Increase penalties for the possession of any illegal guns.
h) Hold gun owners responsible for crimes committed with their guns by children age 16 and under.
i) Raise the minimum age for ownership of handguns from 18 to 21.
X j) Require background checks of gun buyers at gun shows.
k) Require a license for gun possession.
l) Other
50% from GOA 03/04 to 100% rating in 2005
 
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