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Senate Judiciary Chair Rejects Feinstein's Assault Weapons Ban

Discussion in 'Legal' started by LemmyCaution, Jan 30, 2013.

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  1. LemmyCaution

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    http://blog.sfgate.com/nov05electio...jects-dianne-feinstein’s-assault-weapons-ban/

    We can fault him for backing Universal Background Checks, but at least Leahy understands it's not the guns, it's the people who use them illegally.

    For those who have been writing him, Sanders and Welch, please turn up the heat in urging him to oppose Universal Background Checks. I'd like to think that the letters we've been sending Leahy have had an effect in changing his mind.
     
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    I'm not sure Leahy does understand it's not the guns. Leahy is a long time political operative and dedicated anti-gunner. Leahy voted for the AWB and for the AWB extension in 2004. Leahy understands the willingness of gunowners to reject senators who favor an AWB.
     
  3. LemmyCaution

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    I'm not sure you have any basis for making much of the statement above. Please explain to me what a 'long time political operative' is, if it's something other than a generic bad sounding, but essentially meaningless name designed to get around the forum ROEs.

    While Leahy did vote for the AWB in '94 and '04, he seems to have had a change of heart, if judged by his recent public statements.

    He's also a completely safe seat in VT. His previous reelection featured a challenge from the left. His Republican challenger was never taken particularly seriously. So accusing him of playing politics here is a bit fanciful.
     
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    HA!

    Okay people, time to shift your emails. Now we are focusing on NO UBC.
    Fire up those email servers and phone lines, let em have it!
     
  5. joeschmoe

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    Don't just use their terminology. It' not UBC, it's private sales of personal property. They are trying to restrict private property.
     
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    You have to use their terminology.

    I was fortunate to travel to Richmond and most of our state senators and delegates were rather... simple people. Not even knowing the numbers of the bills we were talking about.
    Fortunately, they represent the people and telling them YES THIS, NO THAT works rather well. Trying to get technical and mincing words will get you nowhere with these simple people.
     
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    Leahy "seems to have had a change of heart" like a skunk that changes its stripes after attacking the chicken house.

    No doubt the citizens of VT love Leahy, they keep re-electing him. Leahy is concerned with the political futures of Democrat senators who must stand for re-election in 2014. Leahy would like to keep his senate judiciary seat in Democrat hands.
     
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    According to most of the news stories that I read today, Leahy didn't reject Feinstein's bill outright, he just failed to focus on it or even mention it in any significant way. And we all know that the media never gets anything wrong...right?
     
  9. LemmyCaution

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    Whatever, dude.

    My friend, William of Ockham, would like to take you aside and give you a little talking to regarding a few things.
     
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    I think we should all write and encourage that the Bill be brought to the floor for an up and down vote just as it is.

    We need to get this behind us and get to work on the out of control spending by this govt.

    I would love to see who would vote for this Bill as is, it would be a death nail for many.
     
  12. Art Eatman

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    Knock off the yapping against Leahy. It doesn't make you look good, and it makes the website look stupid. We don't need that garbage.

    Any more nonsense and the Magic Delete Key will go into full-bore spasm.
     
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    Methinks that vote is a very real possibility. Feinstein says she has been promised a full senate vote on her "assault weapons" ban proposal.

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/100410652/Feinstein_has_assurance_US_assault_weapon_ban_will_get_a_vote

    http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...ns-ban-hardest-to-pass-senator-feinstein-says
     
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    " I know gun store owners in Vermont,” Leahy said. “They follow the law and conduct background checks…why should we not try to plug the loopholes in the law that allow (criminals and the mentally ill) to buy guns without background checks?” "



    who puts parentheses in a supposedly verbatim quote? is that an editors interpretation?

    that's a critical part of his statement. what did he actually say? how would people look at it if he had actually said "people" , "anyone", or "gun owners" ?

    that quote with the parentheses is all over the net now.
     
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    prism, anything that slows down the legislative process works in our favor. It gives time for the pressure to work against our opposition.
     
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    I was interested in the journalistic license of changing a quote.

    The difference could have been significant, but I think it is close enough after seeing the published statement.

    IMO, some of those business owners he refers to will get more business (make more money) if restrictions are passed.

    Here is the statement from the senate.gov website: http://i.imgur.com/qh3NbaQ.png

    And other Senators' statements: http://i.imgur.com/7qXCTrX.png
    http://i.imgur.com/wiBIWcj.png
     
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    Feinstein said yesterday that an assault-weapons ban might be left out of a package of proposals on gun regulation that the Senate puts forward for a vote. If that happens, she said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada assured her that it could be introduced by Feinstein as an amendment.
    To me this means WATCH OUT! They could add it to some other BS bill.
     
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    Feinstein/Wyoming

    if u value ur 2nd ammendment rights, u best keep an I on her,
    Obama is Big , like a bear ,but not that much of a threat to me ,Feinstein is like a Mountain lion, Cold , calculated , and as sneaky as there ever was,
    she will wait till u have ur back turned , or your attention is on something else
    and then drop down out of her tree, and choke u to death by ur neck,

    I see yesterday that Wyoming (where i come from) lawmakers voted to block Obamas gun control measures , and voted to allow CCW,s on some school grounds
     
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    I don't think the "why" matters that much. Whether it is because Sen. Leahy can read the political landscape and understands the consequences to passage of an AWB or because he actually understands that firearms don't cause crime and that the data shows a drop in murder rates while these firearms have become more popular.

    Enlightened self interest or true belief, it doesn't matter as long as he undermines Feinstein and the most extreme banners publicly. What we do have to worry about is what support for other restrictions comes out of that and how we influence him to publicly support what we have been saying for years, keep crazy people from getting their hands on firearms without restricting the rights of the law-abiding.
     
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    I smell some sleazy political maneuvering in the works.

    Allow Feinstein to add her AWB as a last minute amendment, then approve it by a voice vote- just like the closing of the NFA registry was added to the FOPA. No roll call to record the votes, his Senators from pro RKBA states are safe.
     
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    That is what they will probably try. It's not likely to survive a threat of filibuster, and if it does it will still have to be approved by the House.
     
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    Feinstein was not happy with the makeup of the gun control hearings last week. Feinstein claims she has dispensation to hold hearings on her AWB.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/dianne-feinstein-guns-to-hold-her-own-gun-hearing-86861.html

    Do not underestimate Feinstein. She has pushed her AWB through the US senate at least twice before. In 2004 she got a vote of 52-47 in favor of extending the AWB.
     
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    Why doesnt that old crow find something else to cluck about?
     
  24. LemmyCaution

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    And I don't agree with your assessment, either. Your tendency is to default to the most hyperbolic characterization of things and to insinuate that anyone disagreeing with you is a 'well meaning fool.' That strikes me first and foremost as a resort to ad hominem argument against both the subject of your rant and your interlocutor, with an additional note of appeal to ridicule on the latter party. Not a winning rhetorical strategy.

    That coupled with your reliance on the absurd abuse of the term 'socialist' and the hoariest of paranoid delusions about 'complex disinformation schemes' and slippery slope fallacies make you look like the sort of person that the anti-RKBA side delights in trotting out as an example of why the pro-RKBA movement is full of irrational zealots minimally connected to reality.

    As such, not only do I not want you as my doctor, I don't want you as a representative of the RKBA movement.
     
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