Sentry removal: Sharp or blunt?
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At one time, many years ago, I had an Army training manual from WW2, entitled Scouting and Patrolling, IIRC. It demonstrated the recommended ways of taking out a sentry with a hand axe (as well as with a knife and probably a few other tools I don't remember). Blade to the spine between the shoulder blades to kill, blunt end to the same area to stun.
On TV a while back, they had the old men who were trained to be guerrillas in case the Germans invaded England.
What they were taught for sentries was to come from behind, yank the head back and let the edge of the helmet break the neck.
Seemed it worked with German helmets, not sure if it would work with today’s helmets though.
The only thing i could think of Horsesense, was to strike your arm backwards and hope you get his balls.
What they were taught for sentries was to come from behind, yank the head back and let the edge of the helmet break the neck.
Seemed it worked with German helmets, not sure if it would work with today’s helmets though.
The only thing i could think of Horsesense, was to strike your arm backwards and hope you get his balls.
Gray_Fallen
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Only works if the chin-strap is fastened - otherwise the helmet just pops off the head and leaves you with a surprised but very alert sentry, and a rather dense piece of metal or plastic in your hand - not a bad improvised weapon but will ring like a bell or make a loud whack when you brain him with it.
If the chin-strap is fastened then you have both a really good hold on him and serious cranking power on his neck.
Helmets need stampeed strings - not chin straps
seeker_two
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As I'm sitting here reading this, I'm holding a simple woodsman-type, single-bladed hatchet that can be bought at any hardware store. And I'm thinking, "Something like this could be a great addition to a soldier's kit for things like this." The sharp blade in the front--plus the heavy hammer-like rear--could do nasty things to an unwary sentry.
However, the hard part would be getting a clear shot to the skull. Correction: the hard part AFTER getting close enough to use it w/o alerting the sentry would be getting a clear shot....
Most important rule to remember when dispatching sentries: Make sure there isn't another one close enough to see you dealing with the first...
However, the hard part would be getting a clear shot to the skull. Correction: the hard part AFTER getting close enough to use it w/o alerting the sentry would be getting a clear shot....
Most important rule to remember when dispatching sentries: Make sure there isn't another one close enough to see you dealing with the first...
A suppressed 50 cal (50 whisper) would be my first choice.
Second choice would be a nun chuck used like a garrote.
Third choice would be empty hand, starting with a blow to the throat (I know what effect that has, it is like getting nailed in solar plexus but worse you just stand trying to get air, not sure what knife to throat/neck would do for stunning) followed by head crank or strangle.
Second choice would be a nun chuck used like a garrote.
Third choice would be empty hand, starting with a blow to the throat (I know what effect that has, it is like getting nailed in solar plexus but worse you just stand trying to get air, not sure what knife to throat/neck would do for stunning) followed by head crank or strangle.
Penforhire
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LOL, Correia!
Seems to me the military could use higher-powered electric shock devices than Tasers (since they're not worried about a little permanent damage to the target). Seem like it would be more quiet than any impact device.
Seems to me the military could use higher-powered electric shock devices than Tasers (since they're not worried about a little permanent damage to the target). Seem like it would be more quiet than any impact device.
Gray_Fallen
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I'll gladly say I am one of that 95% - I couldnt sneak up on a rock without it hearing me.
Sunray
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"...would like to suggest an alternative way of doing things to the CQC instructor..." HAHAHAHA!!!!! Like peeling spuds do ya? Where are you that a reservist may be sneaking up on sentries? In any case, when you're on active duty, your chemistry teacher isn't your buddy. You keep your mouth shut and listen or the powers that be will have you on midnight guard duty in the rain and cold for the whole time.
The Ghurkas have a theory about sentry removal. Removal of the head means no voicing of disagreement from the sentry. They used their Kukris for said purpose regularly during WW II and likely since. One troopie would remove the sentry's head (either horizontally or vertically, same thing), while the other guy grabbed the rifle as it fell. Sticking a guy in the back, throat, sometimes even the heart doesn't mean there will be no noise. Even a sharp knife under the rib cage and cutting the heart if half is no means of keeping the sentry quiet while he expires. No head though. Works every time.
The Ghurkas have a theory about sentry removal. Removal of the head means no voicing of disagreement from the sentry. They used their Kukris for said purpose regularly during WW II and likely since. One troopie would remove the sentry's head (either horizontally or vertically, same thing), while the other guy grabbed the rifle as it fell. Sticking a guy in the back, throat, sometimes even the heart doesn't mean there will be no noise. Even a sharp knife under the rib cage and cutting the heart if half is no means of keeping the sentry quiet while he expires. No head though. Works every time.
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