Serbia, Kosovo Privi Partizan

[Aaryq]

Howdy, Folks
I haven't really been afforded the opportunity to check out the news too very often so if I'm asking old questions or even just have information totally incorrect, I'm sorry. Also, the nature of this question sounds kind of bad, but the intent is just to know and the best way is to directly ask.

Privi Partizan ammunition is made in Serbia. The Serbian Government is a tid bit irritated with the Kosovars officially declaring independence. The Serbians have already tried to send troops to Kosovo before. If the Serbians decide to take back what they see as theirs, would the price of Privi Partizan go up or dry up all together?

Before you bash me too much, I'm not just thinking about how this tension in the Balkans is going to affect my shooting. It's just one thing going through my mind.

If this is APS material instead, I'm sorry.

Thanks

 

[Technosavant]

I don't see Serbia as making a move on Kosovo. The memories of the genocide they pulled there the last time is still fresh in mind, and many large nations would see it as an aggressive act on a sovereign nation, just as Iraq did to Kuwait. I'm not even sure if Russia and China would back them in that case- do those nations really want a replay of WWI?

 

[TexasRifleman]

If the Serbians decide to take back what they see as theirs, would the price of Privi Partizan go up or dry up all together?

Well they recalled their ambassador from the US so they may just decide to stop exporting stuff to us, but I suspect their economy needs the sales more than they need to make a political statement.

 

[mp510]

Back in the 90's when Milosovich (sp?) attacked the Kosovars, the US Government put an embargo on all Yugoslavian weapons (and ammo), which was lifted shortly before the surge of SKS's came.

 

[Koblenz]

"The memories of the genocide they pulled there the last time is still fresh in mind"

Sorry to break the news but there was no genocide against Albanians by Serbians. Clinton claimed there were mass graves but when the NATO troups invaded none were found. People complain about Bush invading Iraq for false reasons, weapons of mass destruction, but Clinton did the same thing in the Balkans.

Why, you ask? Well, the politically correct thing for liberals to do in cases where Christians are fighting Moslems is to side with the Moslems, of course. Plus we didn't want to anger those oil supplying states by attacking their friends.

Also, if you want to know why the Russian's still hate us so much, there is your answer.

I am glad to learn that Privi Partizan ammo is made in Serbia. I will be glad to buy some to help out the Serbs.

 

[Feud]

Sorry to break the news but there was no genocide against Albanians by Serbians.

I hate to break this to you, but the facts disagree with you (here, here, here, and here).

Not to mention anecdotal evidence, such as the girl I know who was being forced to dig her own grave by Serbian paramilitary forces when a NATO convoy showed up and put a stop to it.

 

[ilbob]

Sorry to break the news but there was no genocide against Albanians by Serbians

I am inclined to agree that the level of murder did not rise to that of genocide, however that is determined.

 

[Feud]

Well, the dictionary defines genocide as:

: the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group

While the numbers certainly weren't as large as other places in the world at the time or in the past, it does fit the definition.

 

[ilbob]

the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group

While the numbers certainly weren't as large as other places in the world at the time or in the past, it does fit the definition.

no racial, political, or cultural group was destroyed. some members of such a group were murdered. there is a huge difference.

 

[1gkek]

So it's just a question of the numbers then?

B.S. It was genocide.

 

[Technosavant]

Their aim was most certainly to wipe out all members of the Albanian Kosovars. That they did not complete it speaks to their inability to do so in the face of international opposition, not to their desires.

Just like others have said- the difference between murder and attempted murder is that in the latter, the doer lacks nothing in desire, but rather lacks competence in his chosen task. Replace the word "murder" with "genocide" and it is the same.

 

[Evil Monkey]

LOL! This is too funny.


"I see that there is some turmoil in the world. I think a war will break out and people will die. ..............................................Does this mean ammo prices will rise?"

Hehehehe

 

[SSN Vet]

let's see here....

Albanians migrate in mass over a period of years into a region of southern Serbia, called Kosovo, and achieve an ethnic majority. Among the ethnic Albanians there springs an armed gorilla group called the KLA which campaigns violently for independance. The Serbs send in troops and conduct counter-insurgency (using tactics from the last century). Young Albanian men of military age get rounded up and killed.

Then the U.S. takes sides and wholesale bombs the civilian infrastructure of Serbia. The Yugoslav (Serbian) army is driven out of Kosovo and the KLA starts their reprisal killings with NATO troops ensuring no Serbian intervention.

Face it folks.....NOBODY who has stepped foot in Yugoslavia has clean hands...NOBODY!!

IMO, the U.S. soiled both it's reputation and it's honor by taking sides and entering the fray.

 

[Feud]

there springs an armed gorilla group

Armed gorillas? Was this guy one of them?

 

[ROMAK IV]

Typical, while Clinton was bombing civilians in Serbia, not just Kosovo, for hundreds of supposed killings, he allowed hundreds of thousands to be murdered in Africa. Irregardless of the initial blame, the Albanians, Bosnian Muslems, and Croations did the same to the Serbs afterwards, with our blessing.

 

[asknight]

Feud, can you post any links that are factual that aren't mainstream media websites?

I'm guessing that since we've taken the side of the Kosovar muslims, that we'd also be on the side of the Mexicans that have filtered into all southwest US states and wish to have their Nuevo Aztlan via reconquista through MEChA?

No? Why not? It's exactly what we're promoting in Serbia.

 

[Aaryq]

ENOUGH! (sorry for yelling) Friends, please. I was just trying to ask a simple question on the possibility of ammunition price jacks. Just settle down and keep it on topic, eh?
Thanks

 

[Koblenz]

Sorry for taking things out on a tangent Aayq. Probably Privi Partizan and all other brands will continue going up in price. That has been part of the overall inflationary trend. Plus I wonder how many people are doing the same thing I am doing - stockpiling ammo in anticipation of Draconian gun laws, which I expect will come if Obama/Billery wins the election in November and there are enough Democrats and Rhinos in the Congress to pass whatever unconstitution gun control bill they desire?

There has also been increases in the prices of metals, just like oil, all of which I ascribe to the overpopulation of this planet.

 

[asknight]

Aaryq, I would fully expect that if Serbia makes one single move to attempt to keep what's theirs, then the US will slap them with economic sanctions which would ban the import of Serbian items at our border.

 

[MAKster]

I doubt the situation will lead to a U.S. ban on the importation of Serbian firearms or ammo. Anyway, Igman, which is made in Bosnia, seems to be replacing Prvi as the lowest priced brass rifle ammo. It's about $1 less per box. At the most recent gun show, Prvi .223 was selling for the same price as American Eagle.

 

[mekender]

If the Serbians decide to take back what they see as theirs, would the price of Privi Partizan go up or dry up all together?

you also have to ask how many billions of rounds are currently in warehouses outside of Serbia? i would suspect that there is a lot

 

[Cosmoline]

It's ironic that we bombed the factories in Užice where a lot of this ammunition, not to mention the famous rifles, was made. Hopefully we won't be doing that again.

I doubt we'll see a cut off from the Serbs, since they need the cash badly and would alienate an array of business partners. It's more likely our own feds would cut off the supply if things get bloody and Serbia is accused of sending its own forces to carve out a Serbian piece of the new Kosova/Kosovo pie.

It's a sad state of affairs all around, though I can see both points of view.

 

[LAK]

Here we go again.

Were there any atrocities committed by Serbians against Albanian muslims in Kosova? Maybe.

Then again, we have to wonder why the media at the time deliberately falsely represented photographs that gave the impression there were starving muslims in camps ("the behind the wire" photo with the skinny guys that happened to be there for the photo).

Then there was the Racak Report. The one that did not collaborate the media propaganda. The same Racak Report by an independant Finnish forensic team that for some odd reason was not available publicly in it's entirety at the time - rather just "summaries" by selected mouthpieces. The same Racak Report that I wrote to the Helsinki organization for human rights at the time requesting to know where to get it and received a bunch of filth in my mail instead.

So we can say; probably. Just as there have been atrocities in every major conflict. But systematic war crimes? Not in view of the strained efforts in falsifying them.

Then there are the common denominators of a post-WW2 punitive strike against a nation that;

Refused to play ball with the new socialist europa and join the club in their geo-political agenda and controlled trade.

Had the nerve to resist a muslim invasion of insurgents and violent agitators from Albania - China's closest ally in europe.

Resisted with force the insurgent army known as the "KLA"; a maoist strongarm for a drug cartel, whose main business was importing the most heroin into europe via Albania.

Yes, we can see why it was so important to destroy the Serb government and infrastucture and install another.

Nice to see it didn't wash. And as I posted on another forum, hopefully the nationalism Serbia still holds on to might grow in a few more euro provinces sufficiently to drive these murdering thugs out and send their change agents packing with them.

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[Aaryq]

LAK: With all due respect, shut up. I'm sorry to say that so rudely, but the point must be sent across. This thread is not about what the Serbs did or did not do to the Kosovars. This thread is about Privi Partizan Ammunition. Nowhere in the start of my thread did I ask about atrocities or genocide.

So what's this I hear about Igman? I'll have to do some looking up. Thanks for the heads up.

 

[Koblenz]

Aaryq,

Where do you get Privi Partizan ammo? I have only seen it advertised on the Ammo to Go website.