You use a hacksaw or something to cut the tip off so you can spear and also open up head wounds in self defense. Consider local laws. You buy a round piece of metal say 2 foot by 1/2 an inch and tape some rubber of form as a handle and also cut the tip at an angle so it is pointy.
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That sounds more like a "dirk." Wouldn't want someone to be caught with that in front of a jury. Duct tape handle and all.
No offense to you - it just looks like one of those "looking for trouble" weapons. Obviously if they were innocent of provocation, etc, it would make very little difference; but if they were in an already questionable circumstance it wouldn't help.
No offense to you - it just looks like one of those "looking for trouble" weapons. Obviously if they were innocent of provocation, etc, it would make very little difference; but if they were in an already questionable circumstance it wouldn't help.
I think any cop in the land would have you in cuffs if they saw you walking down main street with it and you weren't wearing a Maytag Repairman suit or some such!
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Anyone know where I can get some of those James Bond hubcap shredder thingys to go with my new "open up head wounds in self defense" thingy?
The law has a phrase; "prepared weapon".
It's a bad idea to carry anything that looks like you took the time to modify it to inflict damage. I ran into that when I used a stout hornbeam staff to kill a pitbull that was attacking my welsh corgi. It then saw service defending me from the tatooed shaved headed young punk who was very angry over my hitting his dog while it was chewing on my corgi. His lawyer tried to make a case that I was using a prepared weapon because I had made a hiking staff out of a hornbeam sappling. (Aged, stained and varnished with a cord wrap handle)
The judge tossed the case out of court because the attack took place in a wooded park with hiking trails, and a hiking staff was not a prepared weapon in that environment.
Scary though, is that it was considered by the deputy DA for the county.
One has to be VERY carefull these days. I would very very strongly advise not to use anything that has been modified from its original form, and cannot be justified in possesion at any time and place.
It's a bad idea to carry anything that looks like you took the time to modify it to inflict damage. I ran into that when I used a stout hornbeam staff to kill a pitbull that was attacking my welsh corgi. It then saw service defending me from the tatooed shaved headed young punk who was very angry over my hitting his dog while it was chewing on my corgi. His lawyer tried to make a case that I was using a prepared weapon because I had made a hiking staff out of a hornbeam sappling. (Aged, stained and varnished with a cord wrap handle)
The judge tossed the case out of court because the attack took place in a wooded park with hiking trails, and a hiking staff was not a prepared weapon in that environment.
Scary though, is that it was considered by the deputy DA for the county.
One has to be VERY carefull these days. I would very very strongly advise not to use anything that has been modified from its original form, and cannot be justified in possesion at any time and place.
To the credit of the original poster, and I should note that this gets brought up on THR occasionally:
It is very hypocritical that we (society at large, particularly the judicial system) frown so heavily at little devices like these but don't bat an eye at the best personal offense/defense device ever, the firearm. Yes, firearms are not "just for killing people," I know that. But they are certainly highly effective weapons that are frequently used for killing people.
I'm not going all "anti" here, I just don't understand--at all--the difference between someone having a "prepared weapon" and using it in justified self-defense (or not using it at all) and having a highly-effective firearm in the same situation.
It is very hypocritical that we (society at large, particularly the judicial system) frown so heavily at little devices like these but don't bat an eye at the best personal offense/defense device ever, the firearm. Yes, firearms are not "just for killing people," I know that. But they are certainly highly effective weapons that are frequently used for killing people.
I'm not going all "anti" here, I just don't understand--at all--the difference between someone having a "prepared weapon" and using it in justified self-defense (or not using it at all) and having a highly-effective firearm in the same situation.
Not hypocritical at all if you come from a place where firearms are not allowed. Here in Maryland a firearm would indeed cause an eye to be batted, as there is no provision for CCw in this state.
And even in states where you may get a CCW, there are still places where they are not allowed, like certain citys, federal buildings. Or somebody on this forum may have the bad luck to live in England or Australia, where even the carrying of a knife is a no-no.
Toting a shapened spike around with you is going to get you tossed, like it or not. There's this thing called "officer discretion."
And even in states where you may get a CCW, there are still places where they are not allowed, like certain citys, federal buildings. Or somebody on this forum may have the bad luck to live in England or Australia, where even the carrying of a knife is a no-no.
Toting a shapened spike around with you is going to get you tossed, like it or not. There's this thing called "officer discretion."
Also not hypocritical if you consider the cost.
A person buying a gun from a dealer needs a clean background check and a substantial amount of money.
One of those pictured would cost perhaps eight dollars at the hardware store if you went with high grade materials.
Or you could do it at a construction site for free.
The bigger the investment, the less likely you are to use it in an indiscriminate manner. I'd conjecture.
A person buying a gun from a dealer needs a clean background check and a substantial amount of money.
One of those pictured would cost perhaps eight dollars at the hardware store if you went with high grade materials.
Or you could do it at a construction site for free.
The bigger the investment, the less likely you are to use it in an indiscriminate manner. I'd conjecture.
Along the lines of Carl Levitian's post.
My state has a dangerous instrument statute. It is there to cover injury or death from items not covered by weapons laws. The entire statute is based on the intent of the user. Hard to argue a lack of intent when a item is modified to cause a greater injury.
I'll stick with my Mini Maglite and stainless Parker pen. Wont have the reach,but I would rather not survive a street altercation only to die in prison.
(I don't think I would last too long in there
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My state has a dangerous instrument statute. It is there to cover injury or death from items not covered by weapons laws. The entire statute is based on the intent of the user. Hard to argue a lack of intent when a item is modified to cause a greater injury.
I'll stick with my Mini Maglite and stainless Parker pen. Wont have the reach,but I would rather not survive a street altercation only to die in prison.
(I don't think I would last too long in there
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Me thinks its not a good idea, for reasons already stated. Im in VA, I carry every day, Have several pointy sharp things in various pockets, walk with a cane- cant beat an innocent looking impact weapon that gives distance and a chance to get away. But my best weapon is situational awareness. If it looks like trouble Im gone.
Only got so many heart beats left, not wasting them on things that are not fun.
Only got so many heart beats left, not wasting them on things that are not fun.
mroutage,
Welcome to The High Road!
I thought that someone should welcome you here.
Don't take anything too personally here. You post your ideas, we share our thoughts. Just know that no one here wants you doing any jailtime if you are only interested in defending yourself.
Welcome to The High Road!
I thought that someone should welcome you here.
Don't take anything too personally here. You post your ideas, we share our thoughts. Just know that no one here wants you doing any jailtime if you are only interested in defending yourself.
Dirks are quite illegal here
Just buy a knife if you want to cut/stab, otherwise a metal rod will suffice w/o the pointy tip!
Just buy a knife if you want to cut/stab, otherwise a metal rod will suffice w/o the pointy tip!
Yes, I am familiar with the reasoning behind the law, Carl. Please understand I wasn't calling you hypocritical, nor am I going to begin carrying a sharpened piece of metal just to protest what I see as an inconsistency.
But I argue that between having a weapon and using it, vs making it more effective and then using it, there is no demonstrable malicious intent.
It's kind of like giving someone more trouble for using hollow points, or getting better sights on their gun.
Either you are justified in self-defense or you aren't. You either defend yourself or you are the aggressor. Whether you use a gun, a "fantasy knife," a Ka-Bar, or a baseball bat with curse words written on it does not change whether you were justified in defending yourself.
Come on, think about this a little bit. The right to keep and bear arms is important, but fair self-defense laws are just as important if not more important.
And to the poster who said a more expensive weapon should be viewed more favorably in court, well...let me disagree, and not just because my guns are all worth under $300!
Again, justice is justice. There is no grey area that should be created by whether someone used a PC weapon or not...
But I argue that between having a weapon and using it, vs making it more effective and then using it, there is no demonstrable malicious intent.
It's kind of like giving someone more trouble for using hollow points, or getting better sights on their gun.
Either you are justified in self-defense or you aren't. You either defend yourself or you are the aggressor. Whether you use a gun, a "fantasy knife," a Ka-Bar, or a baseball bat with curse words written on it does not change whether you were justified in defending yourself.
Come on, think about this a little bit. The right to keep and bear arms is important, but fair self-defense laws are just as important if not more important.
And to the poster who said a more expensive weapon should be viewed more favorably in court, well...let me disagree, and not just because my guns are all worth under $300!
Again, justice is justice. There is no grey area that should be created by whether someone used a PC weapon or not...
The pointy tip is if they rush you.
Say they charge you and tackle you; use the spike to stab them and fight back,etc.
I understand 100% about how the court views it unfavourably. You have to live first.
With a baton you need to swing it some distance for it to work or use the bar to choke them or something.
You could also throw it like a spear if the situation arises. Ive heard of people being speared threw the eye or skull and killed with an umbrella even.
For situations where you don't have a loaded gun.
The point is to add a dimension to its fighting ability.
Say they charge you and tackle you; use the spike to stab them and fight back,etc.
I understand 100% about how the court views it unfavourably. You have to live first.
With a baton you need to swing it some distance for it to work or use the bar to choke them or something.
You could also throw it like a spear if the situation arises. Ive heard of people being speared threw the eye or skull and killed with an umbrella even.
For situations where you don't have a loaded gun.
The point is to add a dimension to its fighting ability.
Let me begin by welcoming a new member: howdy! Then I'll agree that the most important consideration should be usage: are you justified in using a weapon? If so, practically anything should be legal.
In the real world, we know this is not the case. In practical terms, a sharp tip is only more effective if killing is your intent. A dense blunt object is very effective at contact distance, and if you can move your hand from waist to chin high, you can generate enough force to inflict serious damage.
In Georgia, collapsible batons are viewed as "defensive weapons", partially because of ASP's training that instructs blows to extremities. Adding a cutting/stabbing tip removes any reasonable expectation that is only a defensive device.
Regardless of what the laws should be, modifying something like this is a recipe for trouble, and as I mentioned, no more effective than widely legal options.
Then I'll agree that the most important consideration should be usage: are you justified in using a weapon? If so, practically anything should be legal. In the real world, we know this is not the case. In practical terms, a sharp tip is only more effective if killing is your intent. A dense blunt object is very effective at contact distance, and if you can move your hand from waist to chin high, you can generate enough force to inflict serious damage.
In Georgia, collapsible batons are viewed as "defensive weapons", partially because of ASP's training that instructs blows to extremities. Adding a cutting/stabbing tip removes any reasonable expectation that is only a defensive device.
Regardless of what the laws should be, modifying something like this is a recipe for trouble, and as I mentioned, no more effective than widely legal options.
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