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Sheriff's gun policy assailed
By Chuck Schultz/Senior Staff Writer


To some local residents' dismay, Santa Barbara County Sheriff Bill Brown doesn't believe the public is made safer by permitting more people to carry loaded and concealed weapons.

And he cites a 2005 handgun murder that climaxed a road-rage incident in Buellton as evidence of why he feels that way.

“Philosophically, I probably tend to be more conservative in issuing concealed-weapons permits” than were his recent predecessors, said the first-term sheriff who took office in January. That's “based on my experiences and my career” of 30 years in law enforcement, half as police chief for the cities of Lompoc and Moscow, Idaho.

“I don't subscribe to the theory that it's safer in public if you have large numbers of armed people running around,” Brown added during an interview at his Sheriff's Department office near Goleta.

Gun advocates such as Larry Rankin of Santa Barbara hotly disagree.

In letters to the editors of the Santa Maria Times and other local newspapers, Rankin accuses Brown of violating the Second Amendment's right to bear arms by refusing to reissue some longstanding permits for concealed weapons, including one Rankin had for 10 years.

The sheriff's policy for reviewing applications for new and renewed concealed-weapon permits is “based on the model of a sovereign who knows what is best for his subjects, not a public servant elected to protect the rights of citizens,” wrote Rankin, who could not be reached for further comment. “A policy,” he added, “reminiscent of King George's government that was rejected by our founding fathers - not the constitutional model of the government they bequeathed us.”

Brown counters that he is only adhering to a policy adopted by his department in 2005 - nearly two years before he was sworn in as sheriff - that is also widely used by other law enforcement agencies in California, including the Santa Barbara Police Department.

During the past five months, he's approved 10 requests for concealed-weapons permits, denied 10 others and is still considering two other applications, according to sheriff's spokesman Sgt. Erik Raney.

Brown said his denials have been mostly because those applicants didn't prove a specific need for carrying a loaded gun hidden from view.

About 160 such permits exist countywide, more than half of those issued to law enforcement and judicial officers and the rest to private citizens, Raney said.

The concealed-gun policy, which may have been more laxly enforced previously, “requires review of the reasons for someone to renew a permit,” he explained. Either a new request or renewal application “must restate the reasons a firearm is required to be carried” by the person - and it can't be a general reason like “I want one for self-defense,” the sheriff added. “I won't issue a renewal license for those general reasons.”

In Rankin's case, he claimed he needed a concealed weapon to defend himself because he worked at night, Brown said, declining to be more specific about the details of that application.

“There has to be a reason other than ‘I want to protect myself.'” Brown remarked. “Were that the standard, arguably we'd be issuing thousands of concealed-weapons licenses, and I don't believe that would be a good public-safety policy.”

In another instance that garnered public criticism from the denied applicant, Brown refused to reissue a permit for a Santa Barbara woman who is a starter for track meets and for years used a handgun as her starter pistol instead of one that fired blanks.

Brown said a concealed-weapons permit, had he reissued one for her, wouldn't have allowed her to shoot live ammunition within city limits anyway, because that's illegal. There was also no good reason why she needed a permit to hide a loaded weapon, he added.

Although countless people own guns, the special permits are required only to carry loaded and concealed firearms - not, for instance, to transport unloaded guns in plain view in the trunk or interior of a vehicle.

Generally, there has to be a clear need for a concealed weapon before a permit will be granted, such as the applicant's occupation or specific threats to his or his family's safety, Brown said.

As support for his belief that issuing too many permits is dangerous, he cited the March 2005 handgun murder of Wayne Shaw by Louis Calvin in a Buellton parking lot, moments after a road-rage incident between the two men. Although Calvin, formerly of Las Vegas, had a Nevada concealed-weapons permit for his pistol, he hadn't obtained one in this county after moving to Solvang.

“If that (loaded) gun wasn't immediately at hand,” the sheriff believes, “you would have one man, who was a father, still alive” and the other not serving a 33-years-to-life sentence for murder.

“It just illustrates why, in my mind, it's not a good idea to have large numbers of people with guns in public. I'm not anti-gun - to the contrary, actuallyŠ I just don't believe that society, and particularly our county, would be any safer with a more liberal policy” on issuing concealed-weapons permits.

Brown has received some public backlash for his strict scrutiny of permit applications, even though he made it clear during his election campaign that “my policy would be to issue licenses sparingly,” he said. “I've had a few letters from people who were pro-guns and were disappointed in my position.”

But not from representatives of the citizens group Coalition Against Gun Violence, who insist there must be a clear need for concealed weapons before such permits are issued.

“In the past, these permits were automatically renewed,” coalition spokeswomen Toni Wellen and Ilene Pritikin wrote in response to Rankin's letters. “We are grateful that Sheriff Brown is doing his job in renewing concealed weapons only in those cases where necessary requirements are met Š Restricting the issuance of concealed-weapons permits makes sense, despite Mr. Rankin's assertions to the contrary.”

Chuck Schultz can be reached at 925-2691, Ext. 2241, or [email protected].

May 13, 2007

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I guess folks could send the good sheriff copies of Lott's work, and that of Wright/Rossi & Daly, as well as that of Prof. Kleck.

Then again, first on might presume the need for a passing grade in remedial reading--to accompany one in remedial reasoning...

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What I find ironic is how these anti-arms people manage to talk out of both sides of their faces. The SCOTUSA holds that the police have no Constitutional duty to protect. Surely we have seen numerous cases where they have failed even to try...LA, NOLA, Detroit, etc. Then, from the other side of their faces, the people have no Constitutional right to carry. Odd that our collective rights can be decided by one dictator-like LEO-chief who is ill-informed.
 
“There has to be a reason other than ‘I want to protect myself.'” Brown remarked.


I did not know there was any other reason.Any other reason than wanting to protect yerself would be a little shady wouldnt it?
 
This public servant (sic) embodies the very essence of elitism. The notion that he has special knowledge and wisdom that the "average" citizen lacks.
He parrots the liberal horse**** about citizens not needing guns and the community is safer if guns are kept out of the hands of citizens. If this horses ass had been paying attention during the time he was LEO in Moscow
Idaho he would have been able to see the true facts regarding CCW and its effects on crime up close and personal.

The citizens of Santa Barbara county have two options. Roll over and get humped into submission like sheep or kick this carpetbagging moron out of a job. He certainly has no respect for the oath he presumably swore to the constitution when he took office.

As for the incident in quoted as an example of road rage.....was it in fact a crime or a justified shooting that was railroaded into a criminal charge for PC reasons.
 
Somebody voted for him...and unfortunately someone else decided not to. If he was running in my county and made the statement that “my policy would be to issue licenses sparingly” I would have made it to the polls come hell or highwater and with everyone I could drum up before the election.

Rankin: “A policy,” he added, “reminiscent of King George's government that was rejected by our founding fathers - not the constitutional model of the government they bequeathed us.” true:mad: Razz

btw, the british would line up in a nice formation and nothing says "easy target" like a big red coat out in a field. Why don't they understand that our enemies nowadays wait in "dark places" determined to do unthinkable things to us and ours, and yours. Laws and those who enforce them should be a reflection of the times that we live in. If there are bad guys still running around(which there are) then let us protect ourselves. So simple but many just don't get it.
 
integrity

I wonder if this Sherriff of Naughtingham pledged by his sacred honor to uphold the Constitution of the United States of America when he took office and was sworn in?
 
Fascists like this fellow are the ones who should be denied the ability to carry a firearm.

But then, I'm not partial to denying anyone that. Hence why I can look down my nose at this fellow as an anti-american pile of refuse.
 
About 160 such permits exist countywide, more than half of those issued to law enforcement and judicial officers

We've always known that this cast of characters (caste of elites?) are special. They have their own constitution. I'm sure judges and lawyers are among some of the best trained pistoleros that have ever existed. And among the most victimized citizens of society. It seems murderers and robbers always attack judicial officers and no one else.

Sarcasm rant off for our own El Tejon ;)
 
Aha! This tongue flapping polly is spinning the facts on the shooting to justify his bull****. Check this out...

http://www.santamariatimes.com/articles/2005/08/31/news/local/news03.txt?imw=Y

Murder charge reduced to manslaughter
By Neil Nisperos/Staff Writer


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Neil Nisperos/Staff Louis Arthur Calvin, left, accused of shooting Wayne Shaw to death in Buellton in March, sits with defense attorney Giovanni Giordani Tuesday in Santa Barbara County Superior Court, Lompoc. Charges against Calvin were reduced to voluntary manslaughter.



After reviewing evidence in a Buellton fatal shooting, Superior Court Judge James Iwasko Tuesday reduced a murder charge against suspect Louis Arthur Calvin to voluntary manslaughter because of insufficient evidence.

The judge found that the victim, Wayne Shaw, 49, of Buellton, provoked the shooting, rejecting a prosecutor's claim of malice - that Calvin intended to harm another person.

Iwasko said Shaw was the aggressor in the incident which took place in a parking lot in front of Albertson's at the Buellton Town Center on March 16. Police said road rage while both drivers traveled from Solvang may have contributed to the incident.

Calvin is also charged with carrying a concealed weapon.

Deputy District Attorney Rick Henry declined to comment. Public Defender Giovanni Giordani was unavailable for comment.

The fact-finding report, read by Iwasko in a Lompoc courtroom, stated that Shaw had blocked Calvin's van with his truck in the parking lot, approached the van's driver side window and lunged into the vehicle, throwing a left-handed punch at Calvin.

A photograph of Calvin's face taken five days after the incident showed an injury to the corner of his left eye. Autopsy photos showed Shaw's left index finger was bruised near the knuckle.

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At a previous hearing, witness Travis Dinsmore of Lompoc described the assault on Calvin.

Dinsmore also remembered hearing the loud gunshot, Shaw's body falling to the ground and the van speeding away. Both Calvin and Shaw were on the way to Buellton from Solvang, according to the court report.

The report also stated that Calvin, who was arrested shortly after in Los Alamos, 15 miles away, did not call emergency personnel from his cell phone after the incident.

Police said the bullet retrieved from Shaw's body matched the .22 caliber bullets in the magazine of the handgun found in Calvin's van after the arrest.

Other pieces of evidence ruled as facts are that Shaw's blood alcohol level exceeded the legal limit at the time of the incident, Shaw had an aggressive reaction to what he believed to be poor driving on the part of others, and Calvin fired the shot that killed Shaw.

The judge's findings also mention that whether Calvin acted in self-defense should be left to a jury and not "fact finders."

Katherine Shaw, the victim's wife, was emotional as she left the hearing. She declined to comment. She said earlier that she hoped Calvin would receive the maximum penalty for allegedly killing her husband.

Shaw, a painting contractor in Buellton, was buried last March at Oak Hill Cemetery in Solvang. He is survived by his wife and six children.

Calvin is being held in Santa Barbara County Jail on $1 million bail.

An arraignment to hear Calvin's plea on the new charges is scheduled for 8:30 a.m. Sept. 8 at Superior Court in Santa Maria.

Neil Nisperos can be reached at 736-2313, Ext. 108, or by at

[email protected].

August 31, 2005


patroleman = working stiff

cleo = politician(bull**** artist)
 
No different than many of the the other counties in CA. Im sure the LA, SD, SF, and Alameda county sherriffs would say the same thing.

To get a permit here, you need to have "good cause" .. there's no getting around that. Most Sheriffs arent gonna accept "Just in case for Self Defense" as good cause for carrying a concealed weapon.

I know a couple guys who got permits in Orange County, but they knew some other deputies who put in a good word.
 
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Idaho’s permit system was changed because of bureaucrats like Sheriff Brown. For what it is worth, after 38 years in government service I have never met a bureaucrat who was qualified to make life and death decisions for “ordinary people.”

Ignoring for the moment the stricture that “the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” it is my considered opinion that the only legitimate reason to require a license to carry a weapon is to ensure that the person carrying has an appropriate level of knowledge or skill. Too often licensing is designed to “make people feel safe” by keeping the numbers of permit holders to those with sufficient economic or political clout that the bureaucrat feels unable to refuse.

Virginia Tech’s spokesman expressed his pleasure that a bill - to ensure licensed people would be able to carry on campus - had died in committee, using words to the effect that now faculty and students could “feel safe.” I wonder how safe they feel now.
 
“There has to be a reason other than ‘I want to protect myself.'” Brown remarked. .”


What other reason do you need a CCW if not to protect onself? Fire this assclown. Isn't the job of the police "to protect and to serve"?. Instead his motto should be "to disarm and disserve."
 
Simply Another Reminder

why I don't live in the PRK (Peoples Republic of California)anymore.

The weather is fantastic, especially in the bay area, but between the high taxes, traffic, ridiculous amounts of illegal aliens, liberal attitudes, and lastly the ludicrous views on firearms, I won't be heading back ever again.

I'm still working on getting my in-laws out. It will only take a few more crazy laws passed by the wacky state legislature.
 
"the cities of Lompoc and Moscow, Idaho"

Now, there are a couple of real hot beds of crime for you. If this guy loses the next election, we have a job for him in NJ. :barf:
 
"Odd that our collective rights can be decided by one dictator-like LEO-chief who is ill-informed."

It only takes one right?:barf:
 
“If that (loaded) gun wasn't immediately at hand,” the sheriff believes, “you would have one man, who was a father, still alive” and the other not serving a 33-years-to-life sentence for murder.

While it was a bad shoot, I can't say a drunk driver who's prone to assault strangers is a great loss.:neener:
 
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