Shipping a bolt to Illinois.

[Dazen]

Is it illegal to ship this cetme carrier and bolt to Illinois? The carrier is capable of full auto, something I didn't know till i was doing a Google search about shipping it to Illinois. From what I can tell I think it is illegal in Illinois.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=805684

 

[ilbob]

I don't recall Illinois has any special laws about possession of parts that might be used in a machine gun.

 

[73ch13]

Off the NRA website regarding Illinois gun laws:
Machine Guns

It is unlawful to sell, manufacture, purchase, possess or carry any weapon from which more than one shot may be discharged by a single function of the trigger, including the frame or receiver of any such weapon.

It is unlawful to sell, manufacture, purchase, possess or carry any combination of parts designed or intended for use in converting any weapon into a machine gun, or any combination or parts from which a machine gun can be assembled.

There is an exception to the above prohibition, providing for the manufacture, transportation, and sale of machine guns to law enforcement and military personnel for official purposes, provided such weapons are “broken down in a non-functioning state or not immediately accessible.”



-Safety is no accident, unless you accidentally leave the safety on when you intend to shoot.

 

[Dazen]

Thank you

 

[Neo-Luddite]

I'm not seeing how you would be running afoul of the law here in IL unless you were intending to break the law and manufacture a machine gun (or say, selling a 'kit' to someone to do so). Does a full-auto Cetme bolt carrier render an otherwise semi-auto Cetme pattern rifle full auto without further modification or is it analogous to the common situation when a semi-auto AR has a full-auto bolt carrier installed---which is perfectly legal. I'm just curious... IL *DOES* have some oddball gun laws but they are mostly related to bans on goofy items like grapeshot and dragon's breath shotshells.

 

[Frank Ettin]

I'm not seeing how you would be running afoul of the law here in IL unless you were intending to break the law and manufacture a machine gun....

Not a helpful response at all. It doesn't matter what you see. The issue is what the law is.

In post 3, 73ch13 wrote, referencing the NRA website on Illinois law, the following (emphasis added):

...It is unlawful to sell, manufacture, purchase, possess or carry any combination of parts designed or intended for use in converting any weapon into a machine gun, or any combination or parts from which a machine gun can be assembled.....

Now that's pretty unclear, but it at least suggests that possession of a part designed to be used to assemble a fully automatic firearm might be a legal problem. Once a colorable possibility that something could be illegal is raised, it takes some solid legal references to support an opinion that something is actually okay.

 

[Neo-Luddite]

That's a fair enough criticism Frank. You've obviously got the worst-case-scenario legal focus that I lack. My mind gravitated to: "intended for use in converting any weapon into a machine gun, or any combination or parts from which a machine gun can be assembled ". But yeh, it's probably enough to hook someone into a legal issue.