Catpop
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Is it legal for a private citizen to ship loaded ammunition to another citizen via usps, ups, or fedx?
I`d just call What ever shipper you might use and ask them.............
I asked him about this and he gave me the affirmative since it was rifle ammunition and legal to possess at 18.
PA law notwithstanding, there is no federal statute barring you from possessing any sort of ammunition a 21 year old could. It is unlawful for a store to sell you handgun ammunition. Which is the very reason why that 9mm you are buying is for a carbine and that .22 is for your 10-22 and not your Mark III.
And to lie to an FFL regarding the intended use of the ammunition to circumvent the age requirement is a Federal felony.
G. FedEx Express will transport ammunition when packed and labeled in compliance
with local, state and federal law, and the Dangerous Goods section of this Service
Guide. Ammunition is an explosive and must be shipped separately as dangerous goods.
You agree not to ship loaded firearms or firearms with ammunition in the same package.
There's a few issues that pop out at me here. First of all, a person or business doesn't need an FFL to sell ammunition. No, but some FFLs do sell ammo. Second, get around what age requirement? There isn't one to possess ammunition. Yes, there is, read 18 USC 922 (x). Third, while lying on a 4473 is prosecutable as a felony, a purchaser doesn't fill one out to buy ammo. Correct. However the same law also prohibits false ORAL statements. Fourth, even if they did, there is not a question on the form about whether any ammunition purchased will be for a handgun or long gun. No....however, the age limit changes depending on if the ammo purchased from a dealer is intended to be used in a handgun vice a rifle, and some FFLs, especially big stores like WalMart, Dick's Sporting goods will ask, usually because their cash register automatically flags them to enter the appropriate information.
It's only illegal for a business to knowingly sell legally undefined "handgun ammunition" to someone under 21. Correct, that law is 18 USC 922 (b)(3). It's not a crime the purchaser could possibly commit, as that illegality can only be committed by the seller. Wrong. Different law. Read 18 USC 922 (a)(6). If the purchaser makes statements in good faith to reasonable satisfaction, then no crime is committed. Nobody is talking about statements made in good faith. I said it was illegal for the purchaser to lie. Lying is not a statement made in good faith.
Let's do a hypothetical rundown on how this "crime" could go down. Guy aged 18-20 buys ammo and was followed home by BATFE who found he did not, in fact, own that Ruger 10-22 but did own a Mark III, they would still have no case. They most certainly would, if the <21 year old claimed the ammo was to be used in a rifle. After all, maybe he intends to shoot it in a friend's 10-22, or in one that he himself hopes to purchase next week or in the next few years. Sure. Until the same BATFE agent observes the 18 year old loading his Mark III with the ammo he bought and shoots it. Oh, I know, "I intended to buy a 10/22 to use this ammo in, but I changed my mind." Right?
These were the facts as I understood them from doing a lot of looking into it when I was in the 18-21 crowd. I'll admit I could be wrong, so having said that do you have a source you could point me to? You have to ask?
18 USC § 922 - Unlawful acts
(a) It shall be unlawful—
(6) for any person in connection with the acquisition or attempted acquisition of any firearm or ammunition from a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, knowingly to make any false or fictitious oral or written statement or to furnish or exhibit any false, fictitious, or misrepresented identification, intended or likely to deceive such importer, manufacturer, dealer, or collector with respect to any fact material to the lawfulness of the sale or other disposition of such firearm or ammunition under the provisions of this chapter;
Any other questions/comments?
(x)(1) It shall be unlawful for a person to sell, deliver, or
otherwise transfer to a person who the transferor knows or has
reasonable cause to believe is a juvenile -
(A) a handgun; or
(B) ammunition that is suitable for use only in a handgun.
(2) It shall be unlawful for any person who is a juvenile to
knowingly possess -
(A) a handgun; or
(B) ammunition that is suitable for use only in a handgun.
An individual who is age 18 or older and is licensed to hunt, trap or fish, or who has been issued a permit relating to hunting dogs, may apply for a Sportsman's Firearm Permit by submitting a completed application along with the required fee to the county treasurer's office. The permit shall be issued immediately and be valid throughout this Commonwealth for a period of five years from the date of issue for any "legal firearm", when carried in conjunction with a valid hunting, furtaking or fishing license, or permit relating to hunting dogs.
Laws pertaining only to transfer via licensed dealers aside, juvenile is defined as anyone under the age of 18, not under the age of 21 correct? If that is the case, then no, there is not a federal law against possession of handgun ammunition by someone who is 18 years of age or older.
However, the erroneous statement posted by psyopspec was this, "Second, get around what age requirement? There isn't one to possess ammunition."
Clearly, there is a Federal age limit to possess handgun ammunition, is there not?
Clearly, there is a Federal age limit to possess handgun ammunition, is there not?
and anyone in the 18-21 demographic should have the information they need to make an informed choice. Kudos for bringing that to the thread.