Shipping rifles....

[nwilliams]

I just sold a gun online and I'm confused about how to get it to my buyers FFL dealer. The buyer contacted me and told me that his FFL dealer said that the rifle had to ship from one FFL dealer to another and that I couldn't ship it myself even if I include a copy of the FFL where its going in the box

Is this true?

I was under the impression that as long as I included a copy of the FFL with the shipment of where it going then I can take the rifle to UPS or FedEx and ship it out myself and avoid going through an FFL on my end?

This is the message I got from my buyer, is he correct?

The bad news, you have to take the rifle to a FFL, get me the info and the fax number so I can give it to my guy. They will need to exchange information before the gun can be shipped. When a gun is shipped it has to have both a to and from FFL license number in order for it to be legal. That is the problem with doing personal shipments. If you can, go to the nearest gun shop and email me the info and we can complete the transaction.

I've never shipped a firearm before so I want to do things the right way and also the cheapest way possible.

 

[nalioth]

This is not true.

Some FFL holders do not want to receive firearms from private (non licensed) individuals in the mistaken belief that they won't get a stolen or other gun of interest.

You don't have to include anything in any package with firearm in it. You just have to address it to a valid FFL holders address.

Private individuals can send guns to any FFL holder, by law. Long guns can go USPS, UPS or Fedex (or any other carrier). Handguns can't go USPS (unless you're a FFL holder).

The information given to you was bogus.

 

[Hoppy590]

naolith is correct,

but while you legally may be able to so something, the FFL can always refuse unless you do it his way.

 

[nalioth]

but while you legally may be able to so something, the FFL can always refuse unless you do it his way.

. . . and that is what it all boils down to.

 

[NVMM]

Find another FFL that will accept the shipment.

 

[nwilliams]

Thanks for the info guys.

I had a feeling this wasn't true but then again my buyer has decided to go with this FFL holder so I guess I have to do it their way:banghead:

I checked with my local shop and they said they would ship it out for 10% of the shipping cost.

 

[Norinco982lover]

Nwilliams, this is not at all unusual. In fact, it is quite popular. Just take it over to your FFL and have them mail it out. Don't sweat it Ask the purchaser to split shipping/FFL shippign costs with you. Worst thing he can do is say no.

 

[nalioth]

This is why I have a list of sales conditions in all my sale ads.

One of them is "Your FFL must accept from a non-ffl holder".

If this can't be done, I have an additional FFL fee listed.

 

[nwilliams]

Thanks for the advise nalioth, I'm definitely going to do that next time I list anything for sale online.

Don't sweat it Ask the purchaser to split shipping/FFL shippign costs with you. Worst thing he can do is say no.

Yeah, I've contacted my buyer and he's very willing to work with me on the shipping.

 

[cuervo]

It will also depend on the state where the buyer is, which you don't mention.

There was another thread talking about anything shipped into California had to be FFL to FFL with a Cal DOJ approval. Other states may do something similar.

There are no Federal requirements that any gun go from FFL to FFL when going across state lines, only that the receiver be an FFL.

 

[MinnMooney]

I've mailed pistols, revolvers, rifles & shotguns via the USPS to manufacturers and FFL holders and it is totally legal.

Pick a different FFL to send your gun to if he doesn't want it shipped directly from you. Life's too short to comply with everyone else's rules.

 

[Gator]

I've mailed pistols, revolvers, rifles & shotguns via the USPS to manufacturers and FFL holders and it is totally legal.

Unless you are an FFL, no its not. Just because you got away with it does not make it legal. See post #2.

 

[Hoppy590]

Quote:
I've mailed pistols, revolvers, rifles & shotguns via the USPS to manufacturers and FFL holders and it is totally legal.

Unless you are an FFL, no its not. Just because you got away with it does not make it legal. See post #2.

indeed
no pistols VIA USPS.

 

[EOD Guy]

It will also depend on the state where the buyer is, which you don't mention.

There was another thread talking about anything shipped into California had to be FFL to FFL with a Cal DOJ approval. Other states may do something similar.

There is no provision in California law that requires FFL to FFL shipments into or out of California. It is perfectly legal for an unlicensed individual to ship a firearm to a California dealer. Cal DOJ approval is not required.

What the new regulation requires is DOJ approval for dealers shipping to California dealers. It does not limit shipments by unlicensed individuals.

 

[freakshow10mm]

I've mailed pistols, revolvers, rifles & shotguns via the USPS to manufacturers and FFL holders and it is totally legal.

No, it is totally illegal for a non FFL to mail a handgun using US Mail services.