Shooting angers immigrant community in Columbus

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stopped taking medication after complaining that it made him feel weak and sleepy

Hrm, let me see here. Weak and sleepy or knife-wielding maniac? Weak and sleep or knife-wielding maniac? Gosh, it's so hard for me to make up my mind. Oh heck, I'm his brother, why should I bother to make him take his meds? I like knife-wielding maniacs!

Sounds like a case of misplaced blame, to me.

jmm
 
Shooting angers immigrant community in Columbus

I say, "Tough cookies!" Had he been a Caucasian, not a peep would have been uttered! Sorry to say this, but, I, for one, am glad he is dead. That means that there is one less madman to deal with on the streets.

Scott

Art's Grammaw wuz here.
 
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All in all, it sounds like a good shoot to me.

Prior history of loony-ness and previous record, the deputies knew he would be, well, off of his rocker. And they came prepared. 4 guys to take him in, and mace didn't stop him. He still proceeded to attack with a knife. And now the community is outraged that the deputies protected them as well as themselves.

I agree with the "ingrates" comment made by a previous poster.

Good shoot.

Also, if you don't stop after being sprayed with mace, I would of stopped, no matter what my state of mind. Even regular pepper spray is nasty.
 
no tasers for these guys

For what it's worth (FWIW for you younger folks), i read in the Columbus Dispatch today that the officers did not have tasers because they had not been issued, and the officers had no training with them.
 
I work in an ER...

...and I am sick of having to constantly deal with psych patients and their "fragile" families. Nurses and Doctors are assaulted every day by unbalanced individuals, often because the family can't be bothered to keep the subject on his/her medication.

We aren't allowed to fight back or carry weapons on the job, but I have removed so many weapons from these "patients" that I could start an armory if the police didn't take them for evidence.

Community safety outweighs an individual's safety if that individual means to harm others. I an sorry that the officers have to live with killing a man, but they did nothing wrong.

Any of you tough guys want to come to my ER and "defuse" these situations can start work tomorrow. But - no weapons, no martial arts, and we are no longer allowed to use restraints; they're demeaning and dehumanizing, you see.

Ever wonder why nurses and Docs are leaving the profession at a faster rate than new rookies can be trained and hired? Safety is the most cited reason, ahead of poor pay ( which is a biggie!).

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gunfight with a knife...

No one can tell me those cops did not use excessive force...they did. Four HUGE officers could not subdue and restrain??? Between PR24's 3/4 cell mag lights and four cops...I don't see a problem in dropping this guy for the "cuff and stuff", and I don't care how crazy he was. Remember the crazy that stole the tank and the cop got the access open where the suspect was? The tank was stuck, he was surrounded and not going anyplace. The cop shoved his .40 into the hole and smoked the guy instead of getting backup to drag the fool out of the tank. Seems to me cops are just too quick to resort to deadly force. My training was to use deadly force only when my life or someone else's life was in immediate danger. Had that guy been holding a firearm, yes, smoke him. I know I'm opening a flame war here but facts are facts. The officers should recieve at least a written repremand for their lack of good judgement.:fire:
 
Lack of good judgement? Put yourself in the officer's shoes. And even if there was 4 of them, it doesn't necessarily mean that they all reacted quickly enough to take him down. And if he had a knife, and them with their Maglites and what not, one of the officers would of gotten stabbed. The bullet put a stop to that. It gave the other officers time to get back and get out of the way.
 
Vic,

They sprayed him with mace (more likely pepper spray or a combination), and it didn't stop him. When someone is mentally deranged or on drugs, they're adrenals are working like a geyser. They can resist debilitating chemicals or even seem immune to tasers or batons. And four strong men might not be enough to subdue someone like that (or fast enough, since reflexes are amped too). And he had a knife, and was swinging it. Maybe if they had not sprayed first but simply shot, there might be an argument for unnecessary force, but given the details presented in the article it is hard to find fault in their actions. Even a police officer is allowed to defend himself.

BTW, if you're interested in a similar situation, do some detailed research into the Rodney King beating. Most of the edited tapes don't show Mr. King throwing several large policemen around like dolls. Most of the articles don't mention that Rodney was high on crystal meth at the time-one of those adrenaline-stimulating illegal drugs.

And Vic-welcome to The High Road.
 
I, too, work in an ER. Also worked in psychiatric settings for five years-three as a nurse.

Non-compliance with medications is a huge problem. Give you guys a clue: making your non-compliant mentally ill family member take their medication is a good way to become possessed by the devil in their delusional world view. Then they must cut the devil out of you.

It's a good sound bite but this suggestion is just as out of touch with reality as 'shoot him in the leg' is.

Where I work, we're still allowed the use of restraints. If this is ever barred, I will simply refuse to deal with mentally ill patients...the pukes in administration who came up with the policy can handle the matter. I'd rather use chemical restraint than physical restraint anyway. Vitamin H is your friend.
 
Am I the only one that read this and thought have we lost our minds letting Somali's into this country. Lets bring in the Liberians too so when they start rioting over whatever reason the cops will be dealing with a bunch of battle hardened African civil war vets. Instead of the usual clowns. Rant off
 
Maybe I just didn't get the whole story...

With the media, I guess I just didn't get the whole story. If they exausted ALL other options, I guess the shooting would be justified under self preservation ( but be it noted...if someone broke into your home while you were there and they had a knife and you shot them with your home protection weapon, be ready for a long haul through the court system and a very possible conviction depending where you live in this country). It is not a two way street in this country.:eek: There are professional caliber police officers out there, and I appreciate them. But there are a LOT of just plain JERKS wearing a badge too. When I was a watch commander at a Military installation, part of my job was to make sure my officers performed their duties in a professional manner and evaluate/award/or dicipline them accordingly. The watch commander I worked for as his assitant watch commander, he was a jerk that came from a Florida Sheriff's Dept, and I ended up getting his position because of him being a JERK.:cool:
 
Instead of bashing, second guessing, and casting dispersion on the training of the deputies let's put the culpability where it belongs - on the family of the shootee for not taking action to make sure he was taking the medication he needed to function somewhat normal in his everyday actions.
 
I have to agree with those that believe this was a good shoot, based on the information given. Listed below is a follow up article from Saturday's Dayton Daily News in regard to protests about the shooting. I wonder who the Somali community would be blaming had this man killed one of them. Sad situation all around.

From the Dayton Daily:
Somalis protest fatal shooting
Columbus police say immigrant lunged with knife
By Laura A. Bischoff
Dayton Daily News
COLUMBUS | More than 200 Somalis protested Friday against police brutality and demanded justice in the shooting death of a 23-year-old Somali immigrant.
Protesters carried homemade signs and American and Somali flags as they marched around Columbus City Hall and shouted: "What do we want? Justice! When do we want it? Right now!"
Franklin County sheriff's deputies shot and killed Nasir Abdi on Wednesday outside the Cassady Village Apartments in northeast Columbus. Four officers had been sent to pick up Abdi and take him to a mental health center under court order.
"Instead, Nasir Abdi was brutally shot and killed by the deputies. Instead of receiving treatment for his illness today in a medical facility, Nasir Abdi is dead. This is not right. City and county leaders must not ignore this situation," said Liibaan Ismail, a spokesman for the Somali protesters. He added: "This young man was killed when he was supposed to be protected by the authorities."
Police and Somali accounts of what happened are wildly different.
Columbus police investigating the shooting death have said Abdi pulled out a kitchen knife with a six-inch blade as officers approached him. Officer Mike Wiley sprayed Abdi with Mace, which didn't stop him. When Abdi made violent slashes at officers, deputy Jason Evans shot him in the torso.
But Ismail said, "There were a number of witnesses who were present when the shooting took place. A lot of those witnesses confirmed that Mr. Nasir Abdi did not have a knife. It contradicts what the police have said. What we need is the facts to come out and we want justice served."
Adam O'Hirsi, Abdi's cousin, said, "What is so appalling here is the belief within the Somali community that he would not be dead if he had a different color or lived in a different neighborhood."
Ashkir Ali, another Abdi cousin, called the shooting death "a modern-day lynching."
Police could have restrained Abdi instead of shooting him, Ali said.
Abdullahi Hussen said Somalis' trust of law enforcement will dwindle if such things continue to happen or the Abdi shooting isn't properly investigated.
Ismail doubted that a thorough investigation would happen.
"The police have already made their conclusion that this gentleman had a knife," Ismail said.
Roughly 35,000 Somali and Somali-Americans live in Columbus. They began immigrating 25 years ago but in the past decade larger numbers moved to the city, particularly after hearing by word of mouth about affordable housing and jobs, said Hassan Omar, executive director of the Somali Community Association of Ohio.
Somalia, in eastern Africa on the Indian Ocean, is a country about the size of Texas. Since 1991, the country of 8 million has been in the throes of civil war and political turmoil.
This story contains information from The Associated Press.
 
shouted: "What do we want? Justice! When do we want it? Right now!"

Not to be too un-PC, but that sounds like the shouting at every "progressive" protest I've ever seen.

Could these Somali immigrants be getting coaching?
 
Looks like they learned the First Looney Lefty Lesson on Being an American quite well....when something happens that you dont like, scream, cry, stamp your feet, and whine about racism.

They are more than welcome to go back to Somalia anytime they decide they dont like things here. They never should have been brought here in the first place.

Man, I love "diversity". :rolleyes:
 
Adam O'Hirsi, Abdi's cousin, said, "What is so appalling here is the belief within the Somali community that he would not be dead if he had a different color or lived in a different neighborhood."
Ashkir Ali, another Abdi cousin, called the shooting death "a modern-day lynching."
Police could have restrained Abdi instead of shooting him, Ali said.
Abdullahi Hussen said Somalis' trust of law enforcement will dwindle if such things continue to happen or the Abdi shooting isn't properly investigated.

Sounds as if America is failing the Somalis. Time to go back home, to a better place. And the sooner the better.
 
they called him a gentleman, a gentleman, um, no I'm sorry but he was no gentleman, he was a stark raving nutjob, good shoot
 
At least where I'm from Police are trained that when deadly force is needed shoot to "stop". That means a double tap to the chest. If he still coming at you give him two more. You don't shoot to wound. you don't do any of that cowboy cr@p. An officer or officers trying to take down a man with a knife means one of the officers is going to get cut and possibly seriously injured. Having said that maybe they could have planned ahead a little better. Maybe stood back and waited for someone with alternatives, ie taser, when he started acting out, but I wasn't there and I won't judge them.
 
Vic

I don't know where you were trained, but here we do not use a PR-24 against a knife. PR-24 is only used against unarmed perps. If you want to go wrestling knife wielding psychos be my guest but thats not in my contract.
 
Well, the obvious question is, "Where's the knife?"

All in all, IF the media account is at all credible, it sounds like a good shoot, and if anyone is covering up, it is the Somali community trying to protect one of their own.

Big +1 on the "Looks like they learned the First Looney Lefty Lesson on Being an American quite well....when something happens that you dont like, scream, cry, stamp your feet, and whine about racism. " The Somali's I've observed locally aren't exactly paragons of virtue.
 
eagle45 said:
I have to agree with those that believe this was a good shoot, based on the information given. Listed below is a follow up article from Saturday's Dayton Daily News in regard to protests about the shooting. I wonder who the Somali community would be blaming had this man killed one of them. Sad situation all around.

From the Dayton Daily:
Somalis protest fatal shooting
Columbus police say immigrant lunged with knife
By Laura A. Bischoff
Dayton Daily News
COLUMBUS | More than 200 Somalis protested Friday against police brutality and demanded justice in the shooting death of a 23-year-old Somali immigrant.

must have looked like a scene from BHD.
 
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