Shooting in gunstore

[14YEAROLDGUNADDICT]

Father Speaks Out After Shooting

27/07/2006NewstalkZBThe father of a man who allegedly shot another man in a gun shop in the Auckland suburb of Penrose this morning has spoken out.

Police say the man was shot in the stomach as he threatened a worker in the Small Arms Guns and Ammo shop in Great South Road with a machete earlier today.

He is in Auckland hospital with a stomach wound after reportedly entering a gun shop called Small Arms International, carrying a machete. He is currently in a stable condition.

Ray Carvell says his son shot the intruder in self defence - and he is in shock after the incident and is being interviewed by police.

Mr Carvell says he has been in the gun industry for 40 years and has never seen anything like this.

He has added he is glad the man survived being shot - but he is also glad it was not his son left lying in a pool of blood.


good on the guy who shot him in self defence theres another gunstore accross called serious shooters and my dad knows both store owners
(i live in this area )

 

[lionking]

hmm,bringing a machete to a gunstore to pick a fight?Not wise.

I see you are in NZ.I actually want to ask you what exactly are the laws for owning a firearm and what restrictions are there in NZ?
I happen to belong to a guitar forum based out of NZ,have gotten to know a few people from there and I think they are very friendly and light hearted.Being one of a few Americans on that forum Ive never asked the question of gunownership wondering if I would stir up something controversal.

I must say though on that forum,people talk alot of off based topics besides guitar,after the London bombing there was a thread that got sort of political and I realized through that most Kiwi's have affection toward America.They have not always agreed with everything in a debate with me,but I like your country,not to mention its a real beautiful place.

I always assumed that New Zealands laws were as strict as Australia and the UK but I'll let you explain the truth.Thanks

 

[learn2shoot]

Suicide?

Going into a gun shop and firing wildly or swinging a machette sounds like a suicide attempt. A few years back there in MD at Bel Air Gun and Pawn a guy went in a fired a few shots over the heads of the clerk who returned fire. The guy died in the parking lot, later they found a note, or talked to family members who indicated he was suicidal.

 

[Zundfolge]

Here's a link to the story
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10393391


This part sickens me:

Other gunstore owners the Herald spoke to said they felt for Greg Carvell and the situation he was faced with yesterday.

But they agreed that loaded firearms should not be easily accessible in a gunstore, nor should they be used for self-defence.

And...

Another Auckland gunstore owner said: "I know the law. I know what I am and am not allowed to do, and I'm not allowed to have a loaded weapon behind the counter."

Not even gunstores are allowed to use their wares for self defense

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

Good Plan! Only allow machetes
I hope they have stain resistant carpeting and good life insurance policies.
However, given those gun shop owners are in NZ where it's probably illegal to have a loaded gun, I would have answered the same way (lying through my tooth!)

 

[Gas Operated]

But they agreed that loaded firearms should not be easily accessible in a gunstore, nor should they be used for self-defence.

I suppose "they" find being hacked to death by a machete-wielding maniac preferable.

 

[14YEAROLDGUNADDICT]

Ummmm im not to sure on the law but were not as strict as Austarila or the UK ill have to look them up sorry i couldent be of more help

 

[XDn00b101]

1. You're in a gun store.
2. Gun stores have a lot of GUNS!
3. You have a machete in a gun store full of GUNS!
4. You're a complete dumbass if you use a machete.
5. You used a machete in a gun store and you lost!
6. You Doctor reccomends a brain transplant!

 

[14YEAROLDGUNADDICT]

here I hope this helps

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/libr...=pal_statutes.nfo&jump=a1983-044&softpage=DOC

 

[Spinner]

LionKing

I think you'll find that on the subject of firearms a lot of NZers are fairly ignorant and basically fearful. It used to be that our agricultural heritage meant that most people had used firearms to shoot rabbits or other pests or had been duck or deer hunting or at least exposed to firearms but with the increased urbanisation of people, the whole outdoor lifestyle appears to be very much in decline ... and firearms are unfortunately a part of that decline.

As far as our laws go, you need a licence to own and use a firearm and you have to undergo background checks to get a licence. With a standard licence you can own and use rifles and shotguns, but you need to go through extra checks and an endorsement on your licence to own and use military styled semi-auto firearms (AR15s etc) and handguns, or to collect or deal in firearms. All firearms need to be secured separately from ammunition (preferably in a disabled state) when not in use .... they need to be in a safe or other locked cabinet.

There have been several court cases where the judiciary has specifically stated that firearms ownership in this country is a privelege, not a right. Firearms for self-defence are a big no-no ... your firearms are all supposed to be disabled and locked up. Our cops carry sidearms in their cars but for the most part are unarmed unless called to specific incidents that will require firearms.

Interestingly, sound moderators/suppressors are completely unregulated here ... many people have them for their .22LR rifles.

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[qlajlu]

What about gun related crime?

Firearms for self-defence are a big no-no ... your firearms are all supposed to be disabled and locked up.

At least you are allowed to own firearms and I find it very interesting that suppressors are not regulated. However, I do have a question for you, Spinner. Since Great Britain has basically outlawed gun ownership their gun related crime seems to have skyrocketed with the bad guys using guns. How does that compare to New Zealand? I have to be frank and honest, I know nothing about New Zealand.

 

[Zen21Tao]

hmm,bringing a machete to a gunstore to pick a fight?Not wise.

(Carlos Mencia's brother Joseph sporting offical "dee dee dee" gear)

 

[Spinner]

Our gun laws have been in place for a long time and without having done an in-depth analysis of gun related crime with the firearms laws I'd have to say that there doesn't appear to be a relationship.

Yes, there is firearms related crime in NZ, but its generally not armed robbery, sniper type shootings, etc. Much of the firearms related crime isn't reported as far as I know.

My wife was threatened at our home by a drunk nutter with an air rifle. It caused a full-blown armed offenders squad response and in the aftermath I was talking to a Sgt ... he told me that it was the third callout in this area in the last week. I had not seen any of those incidents reported.

Having said that, I would say there is more likely to be relationship between violent crime (including firearm crimes) and the use of methamphetamine and similar substances.

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[Aguila Blanca]

At least you are allowed to own firearms and I find it very interesting that suppressors are not regulated.

What good is it to be allowed to own a gun if you are also required to keep it UNLOADED in a locked safe?

 

[Spinner]

What good is it to be allowed to own a gun if you are also required to keep it UNLOADED in a locked safe?

Exactly!! They don't want us to be able to shoot 2-legged predators, burglars, rapists and other miscreants because it causes paperwork. Its much better to let the cops turn up, draw the chalk outlines and make appeals to the public for assistance in finding the perpetrator.

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