Shooting out the barrel of a 10/22

[koja48]

how many rounds did you have through your 17? and the 17 remmie is diffrent than the 17HMR?

# of rounds: I guesstimate in excess of 5,000 . . . all zipping along over the 4,000 fps mark. I carried that rifle everywhere I went back in those days, loved to shoot, and didn't own but a relatively few firearms with which to pursue that passion back in those days. The 17 was the one most often in play.

.17 Remington is a centerfire cartridge based on the .223 case. I loaded a Hornady 25 grain hollowpoint. 17HMR is a rimfire round based on a 22 mag shell casing which propels the bullet at significantly lower velocity & pressure. An excellent round, but "not enough gun" for larger varmints.

 

[Odnar]

I think this thread has convinced me to finally buy a 10/22.

 

[CZguy]

Morals and integrity

Sufficiently offset, I don't think you are going to have to account for too many turtles when you arrive at the pearly gates. Turtles, in fact, are NOT mentioned in the Bible at all, so you don't have to worry much about theological questions.

I'm reminded of the time when I was about eight years old and shot a Robin. My father saw me do this and made me clean the bird, and told me I was going to have to eat it. I didn't have to, it but I sure learned my lesson.

Only taking a life for food was in style long before P.C. "offsets"

To get back to the barrel issue. I don't think you can shoot out a .22 barrel. Just ruin it by improper cleaning. You can shoot out a 22-250 barrel though.

 

[xd45gaper]

Odnar: i kinda want to buy another! i have the 10/22 carbine i want the 10/22 rifle now

Blackfork. these NTO's you are talking about they are kinda like the air emssion Units which you can buy in California right?

Koja48, ive been thinking about buying the 17HMR after watching my buddy shoot quaters at 100 yards with his! i would be deadly against turtles with that Ive never seen the 17 Remington, here all this time ive been thinking that the 17 was a new fangled hornday round lol

 

[xd45gaper]

You can shoot out a 22-250 barrel though

ive herd that before, maybe thats where i got the crazy idea of shooting my 10/22 barrel out! it never really crossed my mind of the high volictiy those rounds are going and they are copper jackted to.

 

[mpmarty]

500 Rounds = shot out

barrel on my SAKO .264 Winchester mag. Rebarreled to 7MM Rem Mag and after more than 1500 rounds it still looks new using 160 gr. Noslers and 79grs of 870.

 

[doubleg]

EVIL TURTLE SLAYER!!!!

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You should be ashamed of your self .

Had me laughing.

 

[Blackfork]

Robin Theology

Your dad was quite right. The Bible says God knows when every sparrow falls. That said, surely he keeps up with robins and probably ALL State Birds.

Snakes: yes. But they seem shootable. You might get some kind of credit for snake shooting.

Jesus ate grilled fish and hung out with a bunch of fishermen (renouned for being liars of the first degree.) I think you DO have to theologically eat the fish you kill.

Turtles are mentioned in several lesser theologies. Native Amerinds thought the earth was supported on a giant turtle back. I'd say that's pretty much a non-issue. Any culture who thinks that the earth is a turtle crawling around the cosmos is going to have other problems besides the philosophical and theological implications of 10/22 driven NTOs.

But there is no question that a turtle is not a fish. I think he's good to go on turtle zapping.

I shot eight deer this year. A couple of fluorescent bulbs, walk to the coffeeshop once and I'm offset.

 

[xd45gaper]

Native Amerinds thought the earth was supported on a giant turtle back. I'd say that's pretty much a non-issue. Any culture who thinks that the earth is a turtle crawling around the cosmos is going to have other problems besides the philosophical and theological implications of 10/22 driven NTOs.

rofl

 

[OlderFox]

It can be done

Had a Husqvarna .22lr.

It began to shoot erratically and the odd case would rupture. Took it to a smith and he said the barrel was eroded at the throat. He cut it back 1 1/2inches and rechambered. After that it shot as well as ever.

This particular rifle was used mostly at a shooting club I belonged to about 35 years ago. Minimum each week through the barrel was a brick (500) for about 5 years

Cheers

 

[OlderFox]

22-250

I'm onto my third barrel on a Sako 22-250. This third barrel has about had it as well.
Total rounds through this particular rifle is close to 18,000 in the 3 barrels.

Cheers

 

[Jubjub]

I recall reading an article several years ago about an HK MP5 that belongs to the folks who do security at the Kennedy Space Center. They keep a maintenance log on each gun, keeping track of rounds fired and repairs done. This particular gun was used for training, and had been shot a lot. Many of the springs and small parts had been replaced, some several times, but it still had the original barrel, and still shot well enough to meet the standards for acceptance. It had fired right around 500,000 rounds at the time, and they had no plans to retire it.

 

[fatelk]

I have an old Savage-Stevens .22LR semi-auto my uncle gave me about 20 years ago that I've shot tens of thousands of rounds through. It shoots the same as it always has, though I did have an issue recently where I thought something was broke. It started to double and jam real bad, but perhaps I should start my own "bad ammo warning" thread about bulk pack "Golden Bullets" to discuss that problem.

I've always been told that it is the gas from the burning powder that "burns" out a barrel, not the actual bullet. That would explain why super high velocity, high powder volume (compared to bore diameter) rounds like .264 Mag, .22-250 and .220 Swift have a reputation for wearing out barrels quick. It would also explain why .22 barrels last forever if you treat them right.
About cleaning: how often should one clean a .22 bore? I almost never clean the barrel on mine and haven't noticed any decrease in accuracy.

I'm not really qualified to add my piece to the Great Turtle Controversy as we don't have turtles where I live (that I've ever seen), but a friend and I got in trouble as teenagers for shooting bullfrogs with BB guns. I got quite the lecture on killing just for fun or sport. That said, I won't lecture someone else for shooting turtles, especially if it's not illegal and they are considered a pest where you are. I will, however, lecture my son if he starts shooting bullfrogs just for fun.

 

[OlderFox]

Barrel erosion

I've always been told that it is the gas from the burning powder that "burns" out a barrel, not the actual bullet.

Not quite true.
Pressure in the barrel causes expansion and contraction of the steel as the pressure wave goes down the barrel causes barrel "burn out".

If you are interested. I have an article that details the testing done to prove this.
I can post this if anyone is interested. It is detailed somewhat.

Cheers

 

[Hemicuda]

Turtles are cool and don't need to be shot...

That said, I have a .22 that i have owned for over 30 years, i shot junior NRA smallbore competition with it, I hunted with it, and I still use it ALOT... best estimate is between 60 and 65 thousand rounds... (My sis used it for competition too, as a kid) and I am SERIOUS about shooting it that much...

it survived a house fire in 1981, and the ONLY time a cleaning patch has gone through the bore is afther the re-blue when it was rebuilt afther that fire...

this gun has NOT lost a bit of accuracy, and makes even the most remedial shooter look good...

I am PRETTY sure that you CAN'T shoot the barrel outta a .22 LR... I've been trrying for over 30 years...

I have one stock-barrelled 10/22 international, and 3 bull-barreled 10/22's... the ONLY reason to change one is if you need EXTREME accuracy, or if you WANT to change one... (unless you manage to fall on it and bend the barrel...) you won't "shoot yours out" in your lifetime...

If you are happy with yours, and don't want to change it, DON'T... just enjoy... if you WANT a bull barrel, then by all means, crowbar open that wallet and get to buying pieces parts... barrel, stock, extractor, extended mag release, and trigger group... (hey, if you're gonna do it, go ALL THE WAY, BABY!)

 

[xd45gaper]

it survived a house fire in 1981, and the ONLY time a cleaning patch has gone through the bore is afther the re-blue when it was rebuilt afther that fire...

you never clean yours?! is it a bolt action? i notice mine will get a stove pipe every 20 or so rounds once it gets real dirty. (im going to look into upgrading the extractor to try to solve the problem)

ive noticed that when i shoot mine alot in one setting the accuracy starts to fall off a little (or maybe its the shooter) but i really only notice that when im at the bench. i cant tell how far off im shooting on anything else besides a bulls eye with shooting bags lol guess i move around to much off hand and pinpoint accuracy is not needed when slaying turtles and old beer bottles/cans

Edit* how do you like your 10/22 internationals? i seeing those at walmart all the time you hardly ever see them any more.

 

[ChiBears]

My father has had this .22lr for as long as I can remember and we shoot brick after brick through that thing...I'm sure you can wear out a barrel on a .22lr, but after 11 years I wouldn't worry about it.
Maybe only if accuracy diminishes...but you said it still shoots good, so I don't think you've shot out the barrel.

By the way:
"Turtles are cool and don't need to be shot"
Cool?

I say shoot away XD45GAPER! I do the same thing with frogs on a couple of our ponds! Relieves stress!!!!
I'd probably do it to turtles as well if we had a bunch of them...I would much rather protect ducks, fish, etc...than a stinkin turtle!

 

[xd45gaper]

i hear ya ive never herd of any one getting upset about shooting turtles lol must be from the city.

i think if they would try it they would see the turtles are perfectly safe lol its pretty tuff to shoot something as small as a turtle head at 50+ yards off hand with open sights! the front sight bead is larger than the turtle head lol!

 

[koja48]

here all this time ive been thinking that the 17 was a new fangled hornday round lol

.17 caliber rimfires are relatively new. 17 caliber centerfires have been around for awhile in a variety of chamberings. I believe the 17 Remington was the only factory chambering, however. Zero damage to coyote, fox, or bobcat pelts and never lost a critter with it, but was always been very selective about the shots I would take . . . I limited range on the larger varmints to 200 yards. At present, the Remmie is retired, but who knows? I may rebarrel the sweet old girl someday. With the 204 Ruger I can move the effective range out a bit . . . 17HMR is a fun round; accurate (mine are in a Savage bolt action with an after market Midway trigger group and in a Thomson TC carbine. Both are shooters & are devastating on rodents.

 

[gitarmac]

For heavens sakes if you want to try a bull barrel by all means get one!! They're awesome. You don't have to spend a lot of money, I got a green mountain one and a lighter whistlepig one (it was a little more). The factory stock fits me ok so I hacked and carved on it and bedded my recievers. Rimfirecentral.com will help you with the details. I got a few little extras like different hammer, adjustable sear and trigger, stuff like that. I like to go to the range and pop golf balls off the 100 yard berm.

A 10/22 is the most fun you can have, they are fun to shoot and fun to buy things for. You can spend a lot of money or just a minimum. Here are a couple shots of mine

This one has the GM barrel, it's a little heavy. It traded it (and some $) for an ar15
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This one is my favorite, it has the whistle pig on it. I have one more reciever and some parts to build another one. I think I will purchase a stock for it instead of making one. I am into ar15's at the moment so it will have to wait.













The hard part, if you want to keep your factory stock is hogging it out to fit the bull barrel. It's not really hard as much as a pain, you take a dowel or two and wrap sandpaper around it and sand and sand and sand. You have to keep checking to make sure you don't remove to much. Rimfirecentral has all the info.

Once you modify a stock 10/22 it's hard to go back, at least for me. My trigger is so sweet and it's so much more accurate a stock one is just a starting point for me now. Once you do your first one you will be cruzing pawn shops to find a battered one cheap just so you can get the reciever and replace all the other parts.

 

[nobody_special]

To get back to the barrel issue. I don't think you can shoot out a .22 barrel. Just ruin it by improper cleaning.

Can you elaborate a little on "improper cleaning?"

I just bought my first rifle last weekend, a 10/22 wood/stainless. I haven't even shot it yet... need to get to the range.

I got a cleaning kit which has brass rods; I think it would be pretty difficult to cause damage to stainless steel using brass. The kit did not come with one of those plastic guides which sits into the end of the barrel to protect the crown.

I did disassemble the rifle a couple days ago to clean and lubricate the action. I used a small amount of high-pressure moly automotive grease, applied with a cotton swab. However, it still feels a bit rough when I manually cycle the action. Is this okay? Should I just cover the chamber and spray some CLP all around in there instead?

It started to double and jam real bad, but perhaps I should start my own "bad ammo warning" thread about bulk pack "Golden Bullets" to discuss that problem.

I just picked up a brick of ammo for this rifle... guess what kind?

As for shooting turtles, prairie dogs, robins, frogs, etc... I firmly believe that one shouldn't kill critters unnecessarily. They may seem like pests, but often these animals are important to the ecosystem. For example, the critically endangered black footed ferrets depend on the prairie dog population, which is tremendously reduced from historical levels.

 

[Gator]

1) It is extremely difficult to shoot out a .22 barrel....after 100s of thousands rounds...maybe.

2) Slob hunters give us all a bad name, leave the turtles alone!

 

[Oohrah]

Your action parts will fail long before your barrel fails!

 

[xd45gaper]

I did disassemble the rifle a couple days ago to clean and lubricate the action. I used a small amount of high-pressure moly automotive grease, applied with a cotton swab. However, it still feels a bit rough when I manually cycle the action. Is this okay? Should I just cover the chamber and spray some CLP all around in there instead?

i use graphite on mine. it seems when shooting massive amounts of ammo 300 rds + with out cleaning it gums up alot less.

 

[marksman13]

Slob hunters my a$$!!! Turtles are just as big of a pest around here as prairie daos are out west. Ask anybody who owns a catfish farm. We shoot the damn things every time we get a chance. Anyone who thinks that shooting a prairie dog is any more noble is just freakin ignorant!!!

<<EXIT RANT MODE>>

Keep blasting away. Like others have said, you will wear out the moving parts long before you wear out the barrel.

P.S. I would much rather be a "slob hunter" than a snob hunter. Gator, I detected just a hint of Zumbo-esque ignorance in your remarks.