chaoslord
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Hello everyone, just wondering if anyone knows of a website with descriptions and/or diagrams of the different shooting stances (Weaver, Isoceles, etc).
Thanks alot.
Thanks alot.
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chaoslord
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I'm gonna bump this to the top just cause I find it hard to believe that no one on this site has any recomendations. Perhaps the right person just hasn't seen it yet.
bountyhunter
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I haven't seen a webiste with any definitive specifications. Everybody I know and all pro shooters I've seen use some kind of isosceles, usually modified very slightly to accomodate preferred hand position on the gun.
Check out this link as it has some great lessons by one of the best - http://www.americanshooter.com/Features/features.html
It's best to try a few like I did. When the isoceles vs weaver arguements were hot and heavy I tried both in a number of IPSC matches. I was faster and better with the isoceles . But each has its advantages. The weaver is better to control recoil so try them and pick what works for you.
chaoslord
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I am wanting to try the different ones, but I don't know any. The two I hear come up most are Isoceles and Weaver but I am unfamiliar with what either of these look like.
The link that was posted was helpful, but if anyone else can better describe the correct way to do these stances I would greatly apreciate it.
The link that was posted was helpful, but if anyone else can better describe the correct way to do these stances I would greatly apreciate it.
Very Basic Descriptiion
The Isoceles basically is drawing the gun, putting both hands on it and pushing your hands away from your body until they stop. The two arms and your chest form an isoceles triangle.
Now, if you were holding your gun out in an isoceles, turn your weak side should in toward the center of your body (just the shoulder) so that your weak side arm is bent and your strong side arm is straight or close to straight. Your weak side hand should be pushing back toward your body, and your strong side hand should be pushing out away from your body. So your hands are pushing together with the gun in the middle locking it in.
In both cases, your head should be held upright in a normal position like you were just walking down the street.
That is the very basics. In both stances the feet are parallel to the target or bladed slightly toward the strong side.
The isoceles is very popular with action pistol shooters. The Weaver is advocated by a lot of combat shooters. The Weaver was championed by Jeff Cooper and is part of what he calls the Modern Technique of the pistol. Here is a link with some basics on that subject: http://home.sprynet.com/~frfrog/modtech.htm
The story of the Weaver goes like this. Back in the 50s Jeff Cooper and some of his buddies started having pistol matches. They wern't bullseye matches, but were very early attempts at action shooting games. They called these matches leather slaps, and they were held in Big Bear California. They were using holster rigs like you would see in the old western movies and we doing stuff like point shooting. They were having a lot of fun until a guy named Jack Weaver showed up and beat the pants off of all of them. He didn't shoot like they did, he used what is now known as the Weaver stance. Jeff knew a good thing when he saw it, and worked with it for years, I am sure refining it a little along the way.
The Isoceles basically is drawing the gun, putting both hands on it and pushing your hands away from your body until they stop. The two arms and your chest form an isoceles triangle.
Now, if you were holding your gun out in an isoceles, turn your weak side should in toward the center of your body (just the shoulder) so that your weak side arm is bent and your strong side arm is straight or close to straight. Your weak side hand should be pushing back toward your body, and your strong side hand should be pushing out away from your body. So your hands are pushing together with the gun in the middle locking it in.
In both cases, your head should be held upright in a normal position like you were just walking down the street.
That is the very basics. In both stances the feet are parallel to the target or bladed slightly toward the strong side.
The isoceles is very popular with action pistol shooters. The Weaver is advocated by a lot of combat shooters. The Weaver was championed by Jeff Cooper and is part of what he calls the Modern Technique of the pistol. Here is a link with some basics on that subject: http://home.sprynet.com/~frfrog/modtech.htm
The story of the Weaver goes like this. Back in the 50s Jeff Cooper and some of his buddies started having pistol matches. They wern't bullseye matches, but were very early attempts at action shooting games. They called these matches leather slaps, and they were held in Big Bear California. They were using holster rigs like you would see in the old western movies and we doing stuff like point shooting. They were having a lot of fun until a guy named Jack Weaver showed up and beat the pants off of all of them. He didn't shoot like they did, he used what is now known as the Weaver stance. Jeff knew a good thing when he saw it, and worked with it for years, I am sure refining it a little along the way.
chaoslord
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I fully intend to take as many different courses as I can between now and the end of time, however my local range has them few and far between so I am just trying to do my part in the meantime.
Thanks for the responses so far guys.
Thanks for the responses so far guys.
faustulus
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Actually I think a majority of them shoot a modified isoceles (basically they bend their elbows)
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Sean Smith
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Uh, that link was already posted on this topic. 
happy old sailor
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standing on two hind legs, feet about shoulder width apart, 30/45 degrees from target. left hand in left pocket. right hand and pistol extended out front. good grip on pistol, sights aligned on target, steady pressure on trigger. make a good shot. repeat shot four more times in timed and rapid fire stages.
i bet this is not what you were looking for.
i bet this is not what you were looking for.
RGO
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This is a work in progress, but here's some info on my website.
http://www.rgosborne.com/firearms/marks_2.htm
http://www.rgosborne.com/firearms/marks_2.htm
bountyhunter
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Effectively, all of us have a left arm about two inches shorter than the right when we grip a gun right handed, since that forces the left hand forward of the right hand. So, we all compensate somewhat for that by slightly rotating the shoulders a bit. When you get older, that added strain on the left elbow starts to hurt and that's when we start bending our elbows.
Island Beretta
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Go to Matt Burkett' site and you will get some very valuable information on this issue- www.mattburkett.com.
Island Beretta
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(Cont'd) 3 points I would like to share that made a big difference to my shooting from Matt's article on Recoil Control. One was having the weak hand reposition and control the gun, the second was controlling the tension in the strong hand- this led to improved grip consistency and trigger control; the third was timing the gun to determine when to do repeat shots- slower became faster. The overall outcome- faster, more accurate shots.
I had traditionally used the Weaver but I noticed that my shots dipped left the more rounds I fired. This came about due to the strong hand overpowering the weak hand in the push/pull grip. Switching to the isosceles and following Matt's advice helped a lot.
Their is also an interesting article in July and August 2003 Frontsight magazine on Brian Enos; you can check out his website too.- www.brianenos.com
I had traditionally used the Weaver but I noticed that my shots dipped left the more rounds I fired. This came about due to the strong hand overpowering the weak hand in the push/pull grip. Switching to the isosceles and following Matt's advice helped a lot.
Their is also an interesting article in July and August 2003 Frontsight magazine on Brian Enos; you can check out his website too.- www.brianenos.com
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