Shooting Steel Minimum safe Distance ?

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I was trying to find what is the recommended safe distance to shoot swinging steel plates as targets. these are about 3/8 thick and I'm using Berry's plated .40- 165gr bullets. I don't think ricochet is a problem but friends warn me to be at least 30 yards away. Does anyone have a recommendation based on experience or authoritative written text to guide me?
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Solman
 
I've shoot mine as close as 8-10 yards several times. I have been hit with bullet or jacket fragments a few times but it's not a big deal.
 
At our range we have a strict minimum of 11 yards for shooting steel with handguns. Eye protection is a must (as always) as you WILL eventually catch some splash-back, but the 11 yd minimum seems to be an accepted standard across most of the shooting sports.
 
The range where I shoot doesn't use hanging steel but plates mounted on stands that are angled about 10 degrees downward so any splatter goes down into the dirt instead of back towards you. Might want to give that a try if you can.
 
I generally recommend 15 yards to limit catching fragments. AR500 targets can handle closer from a durability standpoint but I've also been in the path of fragments when closer as well.

The single most important thing is to wear eye protection.
 
I would also put that making sure the target bounces it down or NOT AT YOU is a must as is proper protection

there's a youtube video where a guy shooting .50 at a target is hit by the ricochet and he was 100 or 200 meters away. Stuff happens
 
I would say at least 15 yards and as already noted, EYE PROTECTION IS A MUST!
I get hit with fragments not infrequently, including today, but have had only three that hurt even a little. One of those was dead center in my sternum which while it caused no real damage, it did give cause for reflection.......

My steel plates by the way are angled down appox. 15 degrees. That helps considerably but does not eliminate all back splatter.
 
You will get some stuff coming back at you if you shoot steel long enough. Usually not a big deal. Some will bruise or draw a little blood if it hits bare skin on an arm or whatever.

WEAR EYE PROTECTION ALWAYS.
 
Does anyone have a recommendation based on experience
I don't recommend anything but this has been my backyard range backstop since the early 1970's.
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First off I will not shoot my steel with full load 40 S&W. That's what the dirt berm is for. My steel plate is just ordinary steel and the 40 is too hard on it.

I also don't shoot the steel with anything, except 22LR, that's over about 1,100 FPS.

I also don't shoot the steel with slow bullets, like light 38 target loads.
Normally the bullet splatters on the steel. The splatter mostly flies off the sides and bottom of the steel, with a little going up.
Slow bullets do not completely splatter and sizable chunks can and do fly back at you. While they won't usually do much more than sting and once in a great while break the skin, it's something you don't want to happen.


As far as distance. I do a lot of point shooting between 5 and 10 yards.
Just today I shot a lot of 22LR at 6-10 yards.

If I think the load is a little light, mostly 2 inch barrel 38 Special, I'll seldom shoot closer than 7 yards.


One thing you have to take note of is, are there any angles in your backstop that can direct some of the bullet back to you.
For instance a steel target on my rifle range has a steel base. This base can and has caused bullet fragments to fly back. So I keep the base covered with dirt.
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Not to be starting a ruckus, but .22 rimfire is one thing I surely won't shoot steel with. I don't care what it is or how it's hung or angled, somehow .22s just riccochet like MAD.

Now, fortunately I've never seen anyone seriously hurt by one, but I've seen, and caught myself, plenty of "return-to-sender" rounds from .22s. No thanks!
 
I'm with Sam. We shoot a lot of steel from as close as 7 yards. The .22 is the worst by far, and I won't do it. If someone must, I find something to do well behind. Someone mentioned it in passing, but it's important: Pitted and pocketed plates are a serious accident waiting to happen. Fix them or take them off the range. Period.
Shooting steel is not safe and never will be. Avoid jacketed bullets if you can. If you can't, expect very sharp whizzers of jacket fragments and be prepared. Cast or plated are better. Slow lead fragments hurt - sharp whizzers cut. Can you spell eyes? Obvious, yes, but so many forget to FACE the targets while anyone is shooting. Give your glasses a chance to save you and they will.
Crazy? Far from it. Great fun and great training aids, but expect to be spattered and be ready for it. No big deal if you're prepared, even if it's not PC safe.
 
IPSC Steel Challenge rules allow shooting steel at 7 yards.

I have done so at most of the Tac Pistol classes I have taken.

I have shot lead and jacketed with neither being an issue aside from some amount of spatter coming back at me.

Baseball caps should be mandatory with bill forward to stop frags from dropping down behind your safety glasses.
Bullets hitting steel explode at approximately a 20 degree angle off the flat surface.
AR500 or armor plate is the most resilient steel for both rifle and handgun. You can shoot mild steel with most pistol rounds however magnum loads will dimple mild steel. Minor dimples are not problematic but repeated .357, .41 and .44 mag will crater mild steel.
This is minor dimplng and a grinder will take some of the edge off and it can be shot at without too much risk, however the mild steel plate should be considered sacrificial and disposed of after a while.
9mm through .44 mag below.
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Angling steel downward helps and gong style swingers deflect spatter downward. Pepper poppers (usually AR500) fall back and you should know what is behind the target area before shooting follow up shots as the target falls.
 
USPSA requires 23' as the minimum distance for steel targets.
Most matches I've shot increase that to 9 yds minimum and sometimes more.

ANY dents/dings in steel, can negate the downward angle of the plate; and presents a risk of a full 180 degree bullet return.
I have personally witnessed a full size handgun bullet return toward the shooter. It was at a greatly reduced velocity but at or close to full sized with a 9mm minor PF load.

Getting 'fragged' is not uncommon, so safety glasses are required; but as said, a hat and reasonable clothing are smart ideas.
 
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unless there is a deep pockmark, or the plate is concave, the splatter comes off the edges of the plate, so angling it rearward is the best course of action. angling it forward just makes more stuff hit you.
 
At the local steel match I do we frequently shoot steel at 7 yards with jacketed centerfire pistol calibers, inluding .30 Carbine.

I've caught hunks of jacket metal in the throat or other exposed skin before. Just enough to sting but never drawn blood. Yet.

There is a reason eye pro is mandatory for the match.

BSW
 
I'm with Sam. We shoot a lot of steel from as close as 7 yards. The .22 is the worst by far,
I disagree. The 22LR is the safest round to shoot steel close up.
More so than most other rounds, the 1,100 FPS 22 bullet, on a solid steel target hit, fragments into dust and very small pieces.

A few minutes ago I shot these 10 different brand 22 LR rounds and a Remington short, from 4 yards. As can be seen the bullets splatter. Sometimes this splatter can hit the shooter. A couple fragments hit me from these 11 rounds. The size and velocity of the splatter doesn't come close to breaking the skin or hurting at all. (but glasses, of course, are mandatory)
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On the left is some of the splatter from these 11 shots. The splatter being on the ground under the steel plate.
On the right is typical hunks of lead from slower velocity 45ACP and 38 Special. Also at the base of the steel targets.
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This last picture is of the area under the steel targets.
All manner of hunks of 38, 9mm, 45ACP, .380 and even .32 can be found here.
What can not be found here is a bullet or even a sizable piece of a 22LR bullet.
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Even though well over a thousand 22 bullets hit these steel targets, for every hundred rounds of all the center fire rounds put together, a fired 22 bullet has never hit anyone or been found on my ranges (except in the dirt berm of course).

I suspect that any serious splash back from 22LR (and others) is caused by pock marked steel that should have been replaced.


Like I said earlier, I do not make recommendations about anything.
Shoot steel or don't shoot steel, makes no difference to me.
Personally, I just hope I'm around long enough to shoot steel targets with another few hundred thousand rounds.:D
 
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Since I was quoted, I'll respond by saying I disagree with that post, or at least its conclusions. My steel targets are all in good condition. A review will show that I placed great emphasis on that point. Our experiences are quite different, and other readers will decide for themselves. Comparisons with the relative sizes of bullet fragments lying at the base of the target don't interest me:those bullets have done exactly what we try to make them do in various ways. Others don't, and it's those airborne pieces that return to the firing line with enough mass and velocity to do some level of harm beyond a sting that do interest me. And cause me to be reasonably cautious and prepared, and enforce such measures for everyone anywhere near the hot range. We are dealing with random and sometimes inexplicable events, and my experience has been that the hardest hits over time come from .22 LR and low velocity .38 SPL lead bullets in that order.
 
But those guys were so used to shooting 7 yards they didn't even seem to know a person could shoot farther than that.
One of my favorite things is plinking at a 2x2 foot and 1 foot square steel plate at 52 yards with compact and pocket pistols and 2-3 inch revolvers. (standing, two hands)
The beauty of the steel is you don't have to keep replacing the target and you can hear whether you hit or miss it.

Ruger LC9 when I first got it.
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It's really not that hard to do.
This is my friends young daughter the first time she shot at 52 yards, or past 15 yards. Her target is the white foot square plate and she seldom missed.:)
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Many interesting responses. I will try it at ten yards minimum and of course I always wear safety glasses. I shoot Berry's plated and load to the low end of the scale. 9mm and forty's no 22 anyway.
Thanks for all the input.
Solman
 
If you shoot enough at steel you will get hit with splatter. Splatter from .22LR gets me more often than anything, just not enough energy to turn the bullet into dust.


AR500 or better rated targets IMHO are fine for handguns at 10+ yards and rifles up to 30-06 100+ yards.

Quality eyepro is mandatory at all times for all shooters and bystanders!
 
I have three AR500 plates that I hang off the tri-pods at the range. I put them back at least 15 yards, after the last thread we had on this topic. They are 8" plates and they are SO much fun.
 
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