Shootout in South Africa

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With little thought for his own safety, an off-duty policeman single-handedly took on armed robbers who had held up a jewellery store in the Pavilion shopping centre in Durban on Thursday.
A shootout ensued and Berea policeman Inspector Andre Mostert was shot five times. But he fired back, and it is believed he wounded two of the robbers.
The robbery came just a day after the Pavilion announced that a new security initiative had seen a downturn in crime at the centre.
'It took two minutes but it felt like forever'
Arthur Kaplan Jewellers was robbed of Rolex watches worth R1,5-million and R46 000 in cash in a morning of drama that saw terrified shoppers running for cover.
The cash was later recovered by police after the men dropped it while fleeing.

A shocked Priscilla Bussack, Arthur Kaplan Jewellers' manager, told how two armed men had entered the shop, with one going to the back.

"He drew a firearm and demanded the money. Another man stood guard with an AK-47 outside the store," said Bussack, who was forced to open the watch display.

The men took 27 Rolex watches.

In August last year the store was robbed of almost the same amount. Bussack said she and her staff had been terrified.

"It took two minutes but it felt like forever. We thought they were going to shoot us. The man who was taking the Rolexes out was nervous and panicky. He kept shouting that I shouldn't look at him."

After the gunmen left, Bussack took off her shoes and ran after them, "shouting to alert security to the robbery".

Mostert chased the men towards Beverley Jewellers. There was a shootout and Mostert was shot twice in the stomach, twice in the chest and once in the arm.

A helicopter flew him to St Augustine's Hospital. Netcare 911 spokesperson Chris Botha said Mostert's prognosis was good. "He underwent lengthy surgery and is currently on a ventilator in the intensive care unit. A lot of work was done, and it looks as if he is going to pull through."

Berea police station commissioner Dir John Bohloko said Mostert, a long-serving detective, was devoted to his job.

Police Superintendent Danelia Veldhuizen said all the men had been carrying large-calibre weapons, and police believe one or two were shot as there was a trail of blood leading to the exit they used. A white VW Polo used by the robbers was found abandoned in Booth Road, Cato Manor. It had been hijacked on the Berea last Tuesday.

Pavilion manager Preston Gaddy said: "Security will be beefed up; unfortunately we have 17 entrances, which makes access control difficult."

The robbers had been recorded on CCTV, and this would hopefully assist police in making arrests.

Mariana Berndt, owner of The Little Italian restaurant near Arthur Kaplan Jewellers, said her staff were fearful.

She said. "I saw one of the men surveying the floor while two went into the jewellery store, and I knew a robbery was about to happen. I phoned security then heard multiple gunshots."

Jody Nair, of the South African National Council of Shopping Centres in KwaZulu-Natal, said there were gaping holes in security at many shopping centres in KZN. The main areas of concern were access control, training for security staff and cash management.

"All shopping centres should have boom gates at all their entrances and exits. The centre can monitor who is coming in, and boom gates deter prospective robbers as their escape can be delayed."

Nair added that security staff were not properly trained to spot suspicious people. "Staff who monitor closed-circuit television cameras, security guards and even car guards need to be trained to read body language in order to spot suspicious people."


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I was a regular customer at that mall.
This sort of thing is happening more often in South Africa. You get gangs of armed men, sometimes with AK47s, and they just invade a mall or a place of business and clean the place out. Not sure what tactics can help here, because that mall is in quite a nice area. It's not like you can expect trouble like that only in certain areas.
When I was working in Johannesburg they even held up a private hospital and robbed the casualty staff and all the staff on the Intensive Care Unit, and the visiting relatives!
 
I see that sort of story fairly regularly from SA. All I can say is that the country is blessed with some incredibly brave and cool police officers and security guards. I'd not be surprised to learn that the officer was armed with a Browning HiPower or the like shooting 9mm ball ammunition.

lpl/nc
 
Civilian ownership is legal but becoming highly restricted - the application for a firearms-license is for that specific firearm only, the license itself lasts 5 years then has to be renewed, all firearms must be carried concealed, yadda yadda yadda...

A boom gate is the barrier which raises and lowers at parking garages - I have no idea what makes them think that will be of any help.
 
God bless the officer for resisting against overwhelming odds. It is not unreasonable to suspect that the officer will survive his wounds.

Assuming that the criminals were using FMJ and that the bullet did not tumble/yaw inside the officer (it's common for this not to occur), the wounds should be no more severe than that produced by 9x19mm FMJ ammunition following an identical penetration trajectory.
 
What's needed is for security to have quick access to decent rifles, and the training to be able to use them effectively.
 
Ah...

So much beauty on such a violent continent.

Honestly, I'm not sure SA is too far behind Mozambique as far as violence and domestic policies are concerned.

John
 
Civilian ownership is legal but becoming highly restricted - the application for a firearms-license is for that specific firearm only, the license itself lasts 5 years then has to be renewed, all firearms must be carried concealed, yadda yadda yadda...

Quite a change from when I got a license for my Hi-Power back in 1976. Sold it 2 years later for more than I paid for it when I came to the US :) Only had about 1200 rounds through it with zero malfunctions.

As far as strategy is concerned, that's a really tough call in these circumstances. A mall packed with civilians, BGs carry full auto AK47s and won't hesitate to use them in a crowded place.

One option of course is to restrict entry (or at least exit) with more than a 'boom gate'.
 
Lee Lapin,

securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/1300/1320.htm

The police here in SA normally use the Z88, a very good copy of the Beretta 92 and use normal FMJ ammo. I saw the report on the news the day it occured, the guys wife said he shot sixteen times, so he emptied the mag.

The same day this happened, a cash van was hit (gun battle, two attackers dead, special task team member shot dead) and a pension pay out point was robbed of cash (if I remember correctly the guard was shot twice in the head).

Before the Christmas season this kind of attack becomes very frequent at shopping centers. Cash in transit vans and pension pay points also get struck more often. I'll have to shop online :p
 
I was shopping with my sister at Fourways Mall north of Johannesburg about 4 or 5 years ago when the liquor store just inside the (I think) north entrance was robbed by a gang with AKs. We were about 50 yards away by the cinema and all I could do was push my sis behind cover and draw my .45 as the guys came out shooting in the air and made a dash for their vehicles.
 
Yep.

I have to say that in South Africa you genuinely do stand a good chance of being hit by rifle fire if a mall or store is robbed and you are there.
There isn't much use of AKs for carjacking: I suppose they are working alone or in small groups of two or three so they need to be discreet.
But when they pile out of a minibus and hit a cashpoint or a cash in transit van, there is a good chance one of them at least, has an AK.

A few years ago, a Flying Squad unit (2 guys) was dispatched to a liquor store robbery late one night and when they got there, there was a gang of about 8 or 9 men, all with AK47s. They opened fire on the police immediately, who had to turn tail and run (even though one of them had an R5). It was a clear case of being outnumbered and not in a position to return fire.
Can you believe that the men got into two cars and chased the police! The police radioed this in, saying they needed backup because two car-loads of thugs were chasing them and shooting at them with AKs. The guy in the control room told them not to come back to the station, because they didn't have enough staff at that time to deal with the dirtbags. Yep, I kid you not, these Flying Squad guys were on their own on that one, and the only reason they got out of that pickle was because their car was fairly quick and they eventually lost their assailants.

Only in South Africa...
 
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