Shop talk: Tinfoil Hats vs. Blissninnies

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Consider this an open letter to gun shop owners everywhere. Let me begin by saying that I don't feel I belong to either category, but like most gun enthusiasts, fall somewhere between the two.

Dear shop owners,

As a well-read, well-informed gun enthusiast, I find myself frequenting certain gun shops and avoiding others for a simple reason that many of you may overlook.

It isn't all about prices, I frequently pay a little more for a firearm I suspect I could purchase more cheaply elsewhere.

It isn't just about service either. I often enjoy loitering about gun shops, listening to the friendly conversations that come and go, and am rarely in any hurry to make my purchase and leave.

No, I often choose the shops I frequent based on the tone of the conversations held there. I make most of my purchases at one particular shop because the owner and I have become close friends over the years. We are close because we share a similar world-view, and I enjoy our conversations immensely. Just as I choose Hensley's for the quality of conversation, I also avoid others for the same reason.

To put it bluntly, unfounded paranoia will not sell me a single firearm. Not one. I refuse on principal.

Few things sour my afternoon more quickly than shop owners and counter workers who misrepresent facts, either out of ignorance or out of a desire to pressure customers into impulse purchases based on unfounded rumors.

Worse still are shop owners/workers who insist on arguing, often in the most patronizing tones possible, their points of view. It's simply bad for business.

Yesterday I spent the entirety of my afternoon going to four, count them - 4, gun shops here in central Kentucky. I had a little extra cash in my pocket, and I went to find an interesting addition to my meager collection and buy it. I passed over three guns I might well have bought, had I not been put off by store personnel.

The following is indicative of the conversations I had in the first three stores.

In store one, I was looking over the S&W and SigArms .22LR "military" clones, the ones that look like AR-15s but shoot the rimfire cartridge. They were cute, and store #1 was running an especially attractive sale on them. A worker came over and asked me if I needed any help. I told him I was just enjoying the day, and looking at some guns. Then came the sales pitch. "If you're considering buying one of these, you should pick one up now, before the feds close them down."

"Really?" I asked. "These seem harmless enough. They're just .22 rimfires that have been made to look like assault rifles. Are they really going to be on some new Assault Rifle list I haven't heard of?"

"Oh, absolutely!" he responded. It's only a matter of time, and not much time, before Obama comes after our guns."

"Oh. I know there are some people in the current administration that are gun-control proponents, but it seems like lately the tide has kind of turned against gun-control. It seems like gun-owners have won some significant victories lately, and that we're poised to win even more. Is there some new legislation pending that I haven't heard of?"

"Oh my God, you haven't heard? They're trying to push the Clinton Assault Rifle Ban back in."

"No. I hadn't heard that. Are you sure?"

"Oh yeah! And Obama will push this through just like he did the health-care reform. He doesn't care about the American people, he wants to turn us into a communist state like most of Europe."

I smiled, looked around a little more, and then left.

The second store tried to sell me over-priced primers and reloading components. The clerk actually used the phrase, "in a few months, ammunition will be the wise man's gold. You'll be able to trade it for whatever you want." The store got stuck hoarding components at inflated prices, and now they're trying to dump the stuff without losing money. I didn't buy anything there either.

The third store was hawking handguns before the health-care czar banned them as "bad for your health."

Finally I get to Charlie Hensley's. I came through the door, Charlie was smiling, "Well, what are you doing boy?"

I replied, "I came to buy a gun. What do you have that's interesting?"

I left - three hours later - with my new-to-me Winchester 94, two boxes of shells, 100 pieces of .30-30 brass, dies, shell-holder, swivel studs, new leather sling, and primers, powder, bullets to load some .38 specials.

I could have ordered a lot of the extras online, and ordering them all at once MAYBE saved a little dab of money even after the shipping. I didn't care. I spent my money with Charlie. Not once did he BS me about any phantom legislation. Not once did he try to sell me anything. He knew I would find a gun I liked and buy it.

Charlie and I both understand that there are elements/people within our government who would love nothing more than to disarm the American people. We're realistic enough to know that we can never rest on our laurels in the 2A crusade. We're also realistic enough to know that panic is not a sustainable mindset. The fight for our 2A rights will remain after I'm dead. It's a war we'll never win. All I can do is my small part to keep us from losing it.

This is not a fight that can be waged with panic tactics. It's going to take patience and faith and persistence.

So, when conversing with customers, keep the conversation polite, and let the customer set the tone. Even if you disagree with the customer's political view, by keeping the conversation to the customer's liking, you'll still sell more to that customer.

Isn't that the point of being in business?


KR
 
KR, I hope you're right.
While I am unaware of any efforts to re-enact an AWB right now, Sen Diane Feinstein, D. from California, has stated she wants a new AWB, and has stated she is only waiting for the right time to try for it. So the possibility is still there, albeit not right now.
Keep in mind Obama & Company just passed a healthcare bill through kongress that the plurality of the citizenery did not like. This fact did not dissuade Obama and his minions.
As a result, political pundits claim that Democrats will pay with their jobs in November.
If true, maybe that's good news. But much can happen between now and November, so I would not "count chickens" right now.
But it should absolutly be kept in mind that this administration is perfectly willing to shove through legislation that is unpopular with the voters for their own ideeological motives.
Does that mean there will be a new AWB? Frankly, I don't know. I believe it depends upon future trends. I know that there are those in DC who want one. How far they want to push it ....
who knows?
As far as gun stores trying to push assault rifles, I have never experienced this myself.
I bought a Sig 556 in January and no one where I bought it (Academy Sports) said anything about an incipient ban. I bought it because I wanted the rifle. That is how I have made the majority of the firearms purchases I've ever made.

As you say, panic is not a "sustainable mindset." I am, however, gravelly concerned about our country. Not because I fear for our gun rights so much (they seem at best a "back burner" issue right now) but because of the horrible and incompetent policies of our current commander-in-chief. I fear an economic collapse, I fear for our security situation due to Obama's recent changes in our nuclear policies ... and so forth.
The "panic" is not sustainable.... I still have to sleep sometimes.:p:rolleyes:

OTOH I have absolutly no intention of running out and buying a slew of handguns and EBRs because of some nebulous new "assault weapon ban" hanging over our heads. I have pretty much what I need anyway and my preps have taken an entirely new direction.

Here's to keeping our powder dry ... and our heads on level.;)
 
I am an avid shooter, collector, reloader, and hobbyist gunsmith. My interests vary greatly and I am well read on all of the above activities. I certainly feel confident in my knowledge of firearms but clearly understand there are many others that know far more than I.

Like the original poster I am frequently annoyed, amused, entertained, and sometimes pleasantly surprised by store employees and gun show sellers.

I do not buy from the gun store full of self proclaimed "recon warriors" working behind the counter. I do not buy from the elite hunting store where the employees walk right past you if they don't know you. I do not buy from gun show sellers that use half truths and outright lies, directed toward me or others, to sell their wares.

Like the OP I enjoy hanging around like minded people. I have enduring friendships that started in gun stores. But I will not tolerate nor refer others to shops full of attitude.
 
You know, I'll +1 that post.

We have only two sizeable gunstores here around Corvallis, really. One of them is staffed by friendly people not minding us drooling over their hardware, being poor college students and saying "So, when are ya gonna scrounge up the money for one of those?" as they hand it to me or my wife to fondle. Sadly their inventory is more limited than the other one. (That's where I will be getting my Glock 26 when I have the cash.)
The other one is a place where they won't even sell you a box of .38 S&W unless they know you and where you get patronized for having a shorter .380 instead of a full sized service Beretta. (Especially in the case of my wife.)

Not to mention that we're both tattooed and the wife has quite a bit of metal in her face.
So while I fit the demographic they like ... i.e. LE shirts or my old unit t-shirts, they're driving my money away by treating my wife like dirt. It's something most gun sellers never even take into account:
The fact that someone other than them would even buy a gun. I think there is a very large untapped market out there and we'd find a lot more acceptance if our most active purveyors of the good weren't the biggest scum bags at times.
 
The store got stuck hoarding components at inflated prices, and now they're trying to dump the stuff without losing money.

This is so true. These were the same people who cried, "hey, it's capitalism!" when we were being charged outrageous fees. Now, when we say the same to them, they can't take it.
 
Is that Hensleys in harrodsburg?

Absolutely! Charlie and Genevieve are the best!

I won't name the other stores out of politeness, but they're all here in central Kentucky, and if you visit gun shops very often, you'll know exactly which ones I'm describing :rolleyes:

KR
 
I had a similar experience recently at my favored local shop. I've been going back and forth between revolvers and autos for my first handgun, to be used at the range and for home defense (no carry).

I was looking at 9mm autos and .357 revolvers and asked the salesman what would be a good gun for these purposes, he replied "either one, whichever you like the best" - That is the right answer, so I want to buy from them. They also have no problem showing me how to field strip the various autos they and allow me to try it as well. Want to conceal? They'll take a holster off the rack and let you try it out. You can't do that at the big box, so my local shop will be getting my business (even though they are not the cheapest, although still cheaper than Gander lol).
 
Great post KR and nice followups showing how common the feeling is.

Though I do have the small hobby of correcting ridiculous claims when ever I visit Gander Mtn or other such places.
 
I also react badly to high pressure sales tactics. Especially those founded on fear. The word is scary enough without some salesdweeb trying to scare me into something I don't need or want. Walked on MANY deals because of this over the years. Everything from canned corn, to guns, to cars. I also found it especially annoying when when the car salesman kept trying to sell me my wife's car. Even after being told that, "it is for her," "it's her decision," "talk to her," and "I'm just here to write the check." Went through 3 dealers before we found one salesweenie that would listen.

On the other hand, just because you're paranoid don't mean the ain't out to get you. So, we need to stay vigilant. :evil:
 
To put it bluntly, unfounded paranoia will not sell me a single firearm. Not one. I refuse on principal.


I agree....good post KR.

Little over a year ago, a coupla my friends paid inflated prices for ARs cause, "they're gonna be banned again, don't ya know? Better get one while you still can!''. I told 'em "no, don't need one that bad." I also waited almost 6 months for Small Pistol Magnum primers cause I refused to pay $50 a case for them @ the local big chain store. Same friends stocked up on 'em cause they were sure that they'd be worth their weight in gold once Obamma put that new proposed 500% ammo tax in effect. Same with powders. But, instead I played around with powders and primers my local shop had left @ pre-bamma prices and discovered some dang nice loads. Nowadays, the local shop has all the primers I want for $30 a case and any powder. My friends still have 4 or 5 cases each of those $50 primers left, and they're pissed cause the same ARs they bought are sellin' for $300 less than they were a year ago. Of course, that's Obamma fault too.
 
I cannot see into the future, but imo, and this is just my opinion, getting AWB legislation through both houses, when said leaders of both houses (yes, it is true) do not want anything to do with it, might be tricky.

Of course, all bets are off on each individual state, some states really suck, like mine.

Oh, and great post KR !
 
The use of fear as a sales strategy is not a new concept. The hand sanitizer boom of '09-'10 in the wake of the H1N1 scare generated several billion dollars of revenue in just a few months of unbridled paranoia.

The firearms industry also milks and exacerbates fears during questionable political times. Many of us remember the use of similar tactics during a large portion of the Clinton years. The key is to know the difference between legitimate fears, and imagined fears. Don't expect the sales guy to tell you that difference.
 
KR:

Thanks for the excellent post. I will not frequent gunstores where the staff and/or owners go into rants that are based on innuendos, rumors and out right lies.

Last year an acquaintance went out and bought a dozen AR-15 rifles an "investment." He claimed that the stock market was going to "crash."
 
In store one, I was looking over the S&W and SigArms .22LR "military" clones, the ones that look like AR-15s but shoot the rimfire cartridge. They were cute, and store #1 was running an especially attractive sale on them.

The second store tried to sell me over-priced primers and reloading components. The clerk actually used the phrase, "in a few months, ammunition will be the wise man's gold.

I left - three hours later - with my new-to-me Winchester 94, two boxes of shells, 100 pieces of .30-30 brass, dies, shell-holder, swivel studs, new leather sling, and primers, powder, bullets to load some .38 specials.

Was the .30/30 an impulse buy or what you were originally looking for?
 
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Good post! I enjoy some places more than others,good place to air and see if you are off base with your fellow citizens.My favorite shop knows my likes,and will wait to see how long it takes to home in on something that they know I will want to fondle, inspect,and sometimes buy[they also know my wallet].
Two latest rumors: 1 Fed, The whitehouse person will sign treaties with foreign govts to form international gun control;response - scares the $#&^
out of me.
2 Kali,It did'nt work in Canada so we will try it here;Req all long guns to be registered in Kali;response - I live in Jefferson,or I will live elsewhere. We need to clean house in Kali,and Boxer needs to be retired,with no chance of being elected to any office;w/others to follow in her footsteps.
Rumors are form e-mails,thoughts are from Navy Vet who's been in other countries,you have the right to leave My country;If close I may volunteer to help you pack.
 
I love the fear sales pitch, I always get a kick out of it. The firearms industry and gun owners are their own worst enemy sometimes. The crazy prices that ammunition and guns went for last year is a perfect example of fear gripping a sport.

The store I buy all my guns from now is run by a great guy named Chris. He has the no BS approach to sales. Coming from sales I really appreciate it. He says this is what I pay, and this is my best cash price on it.

No politics, no Obama is going to outlaw them next week so buy it today.
 
Was the .30/30 an impulse buy or what you were originally looking for?

Lol. It was very much an impulse purchase. I had a little extra money I hadn't expected, and I usually check most of the local stores to see if they've picked up any Remington 722s or 721s - the rifles I collect obsessively.

It's rare that I stumble up on one, but it happens every now and then. I save money for the express purpose of buying these. Nothing would break my heart like finding a good specimen in one of the calibers I'm missing, and not have the money to buy it. I have enough set back to buy 2-3 of them, depending on price, and the money burning a hole in my pocket was outside of my "721 fund."

I wanted to find something new and interesting. The .22 ARs were neat, and on sale at a good price, and I looked at a few shotguns, but the Winchester got me. Charlie had bought it cheap. It's a Winchester 94 in good shape, with a TC buttplate and a case-colored receiver. My best guess is the receiver was colored by a hobbyist, but it's tight, and the coloring is beautiful. Someone knew what they were doing. I got the rifle for 200.00 cash, and spent part of the rest of my surplus on the goodies for it.

Strangely enough, I've never owned a lever-gun before. Not one... It seems appropriate that my first lever should be a Winchester :)

KR
 
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