Short Barrel 870 Wingmaster. How rare and got info?

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Hey guys and gals...

I was at a gunshop today and saw a Remington 870 Wingmaster with a 18" barrel.

What I wanted to know is how rare are these, since I never really heard about Remington making a 18" Wingmaster and also what should I expect to pay for it.

The shop is asking $425 for it. It looks to be a newer short barrel wingmaster since it has the newer/current style forearm. Such a beautiful shotgun! I want it!

It doesn't have a ext. mag tube. So... does it have the two dimples on most 870's?

It also has bead sights.

Thanks for all your help. And... If you have a short barrel Wingmaster, please post pics!

Thank you all!
 
That would be known as the police version of the 870. Not rare at all even if it is the original barrel. Which it may or may not be. You can email the serial number in to Remington and they will give you the original configuration and birth year and month of the shotgun.

I paid 180 for one in excellent internal condition that was a little rough on the outside. You could get a pristine Wingmaster with a longer barrel for under $350 at the gun shows in Colorado.

Course I understand you are in California so your mileage may vary.

A short barrelled shotgun is much harder to shoot accurately in the field, at least that is my experience. But they are also easier to carry through thick cover.
 
Majik,

870s have been around since dirt, the design is older than I am and I am getting pretty ancient (but not bad for a tree). And the 870 saw use as a riot gun _very_ early in its career, thousands upon thousands of them have done squad- car duty over the decades. Hard to offer reliable statistics, but probably more than 90% of current law enforcement shotguns are 870s. So no, 18" tube versions are not at all rare or unusual.

Check the left side of the receiver (i.e., opposite the ejection port) of the specimen at your dealer- if it says Remington 870P then $425 is not a bad price for a new one. PD trade-ins are sometimes available for half that much money from various dealers like CDNN.

If it really _is_ a Wingmaster (which will be so marked on the left side of the receiver) then someone likely stuck a riot barrel on an older gun. Check to see if it's for 2 3/4" shells only. If the serial number ends with an M it's a magnum action, and will handle 3" maggie numb shells- though this is no great advantage for most users, I hasten to add. New and used Wingmasters are a good deal more expensive than the current Express model but I dunno if they are offered with a factory 18" tube. The factory finish on a Wingmaster is a bright blue, BTW.

If it's an Express model it is overpriced by local standards, new ones are about $300 and good- condition used ones about $200 or less hereabouts. They are often available as a home defense version with an 18" barrel, sometimes with a factory magazine extension and no mag tube dimples. Some older Express versions will not have dimples, most do. Express guns have a matte blue finish and are marked 870 Express Magnum (or some similar variant) on the left side of the receiver.

Right now ALL the 870s at Casa Lapin are sporting their short barrels, there are two 18" Express HD versions (his and hers, the safe queens) with ghost ring sights, 2- round extensions, sidesaddles, aftermarket choke tube installations and lights on board. The two 'house guns' are set up to suit my wife, with 12 1/2" length of pull stocks, full length forearms, 4-shot sidesaddles, no mag extensions, mounts for a Streamlight M3 and factory 20" rifle sighted IC choked barrels with tritium inserts. There are a couple or four other Cinderella guns here and there, the Expresses that followed me home. One has a Mossberg manufactured 18" cylinder bore tube, the rest have 20" rifle sighted barrels. And there are my two original 870's, 1970's vintage Wingmasters with 20" bead sighted cylinder bore barrels. And the 'red gun' has a 20" polywhatever barrel too ;-) (red guns are lifesize solid plastic or resin nonfiring guns used for training).

Sorry, I don't have a digicamera. All my guns are camera shy anyway.

There is an assortment of long barrels (26- 28" barrels available for these 870s so they can all do multiple duty if necessary. The greatest thing about 870s is their durability and reliability, and the second greatest is their modular nature. It's easy to use the same gun for a multitude of purposes with a handful of parts, accessories, barrels and choke tubes.

I don't know prices in your area, so I can't say whether or not you can do better. It sounds to me as if shopping around some couldn't hurt tho. Don't be afraid of used 870s either, as long as you do your homework and check out the available examples thoroughly. After all, I can't adopt ALL the Cinderella 870s out there by myself...

lpl/nc
 
Thanks for the responses so far,

Lee Lapin, thanks for such an informative response.

The 18" Wingmaster does have "Wingmaster" on the side of the left side of the receiver. The gun is also capable of 2 3/4 and 3" chambering. 18" barrel with a bead sight. The bluing looks very similar to my 28" Wingmaster along with the wood stocks. The action is also very smooth.

Now if I purchase this for my HD gun, I'd like to get a ext. mag tube for it. Does remington have ext. mag tubes similar to the 870 HD model that comes in blued finish?

More opinions and advice welcome.

pics too. :D
 
Wingmasters certainly did come from the factory with 18" bbls. I still have my 1975 Wingmaster that I bought brand new on my 18th birthday. It has an 18" cyl bore bbl with a bead sight. Stocks are Walnut, forend is the ribbed "police" version. Original finish was a semi-matte blue, sort of like an S&W M-28.

Around 25-ish years ago I had a Pachmyer recoil pad put on it and had it refinished in matte blue. Also put an Ithaca Raybar front bead on it. It's remained in that condition since.

870_1975_01.jpg
 
I picked up a new wingmaster in 1980 took to gun smith and cut to 18 and put extened mag on Still have and still best looking riot gun made. :D
 
Both Frankenstein and the former Arlington Va PD cruiser shotgun I use for deer hunting came with short barrels and both are WMs.

Older WMs with short barrels make outstanding "Serious" shotguns at a decent price.

Good for quail,etc and informal skeet.

A quick note.....

Most short barrels for the 870s are Cylinder bore. Some have the euphemisticaly named Police Cylinder, which have a few points of contriction to tighten up buck patterns. IC barrels are also found, often part of a large shipment made up for a particular agency or dept.

Common report has it that some 18-20" barrels were made in Full choke for military use in the Nam Mess. Never seen one myself.

Black Talon, nice shotgun. And after owning it all that time, my guess is you're effective with it.
 
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